Catastrophic Decompression; Small Place Solo

"khobar" wrote in message
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C J Campbell wrote in message
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|
| What bullets, if any, possess sufficient energy to penetrate an
airliner
| window and would that airliner window spider or would said bullet
simply
| leave a small hole? We already know that an adult PAX will,
apparently,
fit
| through a typical airliner window.
|

We do not really know any such thing. If the passenger is bigger than
the
window he simply cannot be pulled through it any more than he can sucked
up
through a vacuum cleaner hose.

http://aviation-safety.net/database/1973/731103-0.htm

"As a result, the cabin depressurized and one cabin window, which was
struck
by a fragment of the fan assembly, separated from the fuselage. The
passenger who was sitting next to that window was forced through the
opening
and ejected from the aircraft."



http://www.super70s.com/Super70s/Tech/Aviation/Disasters/73-11-03(National).
asp

"According to a witness, the occupant of the seat was partially forced
through the window opening and was temporarily retained in this position
by
his seatbelt. Efforts to pull the passenger back into the airplane by
another passenger were unsuccessful, and the occupant of seat 17H was
subsequently forced entirely through the cabin window."

Paul Nixon

No doubt the pax in ? departed through the hole left by the "window".

"Windows for AC" are essentially like those used in houses, in that they are
"Prefab Units" of a specified size installed/secured in the structure of the
house or A/C.

Just as with a window in a house, there is a vast difference in the size
hole remaining between the glass being broken out, compared to the entire
Prefab Unit being forced from the structure.

The "Prefab Window" departing the A/C structure surely weakened the A/C
structure surrounding the "Departed Window".

In 1 of the above references, it is stated, the pax that lost was sitting in
seat 14L. #'s 1 & 2 engines were damaged by FOD from the #3 engine, plus
assorted damage to wings & their components.

It would be interesting to know if the engine fragment that caused the
"Window Failure" struck the window/window frame structure from inside or
outside.

Most uncontained engine failures result in damage to the A/C in patterns
at/near 90 degrees to the engine components "plane of rotation" for the
failed components.

Anyone know the angle between the "plane of rotation" for the "fan assembly"
of the #3 engine & engines #'s 1 & 2.
Ralph Nesbitt
Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type

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C J Campbell wrote in message
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Most movies use physics from an alternate universe. Bullets flash
when
they
hit things (even wood!). People outrun shock waves from explosions.
The
MAC
10 holds an infinite amount of ammo. You can poison a whole airplane
by
contaminating the pressurization and/or the oxygen system.
Alternatively,
the airplane pressurization will keep a plane filled with air even
under
water. Small aircraft routinely outclimb and run into airliners.

As for Goldfinger, I suppose he *could* have hit the elevator and
jammed
it
when he was sucked out. But, really, why let the facts get in the
way
of
a
good story?


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/3039583.stm

An interesting take on the situation especially in light of the fact
that
there has been a case of a cabin window being shattered by engine
debris
resulting in a PAX being blown out through that window.

Paul Nixon

The "Ballistics Profile" of the most powerful hand gun "Pales in
comparison/is infatisimal compared to that of debris from an
"Uncontained
Engine Failure".

A .22 pales in comparison to a cannonball, yet both are deadly under the
right circumstances.

What bullets, if any, possess sufficient energy to penetrate an airliner
window and would that airliner window spider or would said bullet simply
leave a small hole? We already know that an adult PAX will, apparently,
fit
through a typical airliner window.

Paul Nixon

I have no experience with "A/C Window Bullet Impact". Have seen "Spidering
due Debris" from "uncontained engine failures. Have seen, dealt with the
aftermath of encounters between fighter type A/C & large birds such as
"Buzzards, Eagles, or other large carrion Feeders.

For some reason the "Canopy of F-4's" were subject to shatter, disappear
upon impact with a large bird. For some reason the remains of "Buzzards",
especially, tended to remain in the cockpit. Makes for a smelly tedious
situation to safety ejection seats, especially those with "Banana Links,
check crew for injuries, then safely remove them from A/C.

The "Windshields of Southern 232", a DC-9, were broken out along with
"Catastrophic Engine Damage" by hail at altitude resulting in a catastrophic
incident. Many "Hail Stones of ~3" Diameter were in the cockpit when we
arrived on scene within ~ 7 minuets of the incident. There were substantial
"Dents/Dings" in the rear cockpit bulkhead from the "Hail Stones".
Ralph Nesbitt
Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type

Ralph Nesbitt wrote in message
m...
I have no experience with "A/C Window Bullet Impact". Have seen "Spidering
due Debris" from "uncontained engine failures. Have seen, dealt with the
aftermath of encounters between fighter type A/C & large birds such as
"Buzzards, Eagles, or other large carrion Feeders.

I have seen some of those. They make quite a mess.

The "Windshields of Southern 232", a DC-9, were broken out along with
"Catastrophic Engine Damage" by hail at altitude resulting in a
catastrophic
incident. Many "Hail Stones of ~3" Diameter were in the cockpit when we
arrived on scene within ~ 7 minuets of the incident. There were
substantial
"Dents/Dings" in the rear cockpit bulkhead from the "Hail Stones".

You've probably seen the Easyjet pics:
http://www.zap16.com/Easyjet%20out%20of%20hail.htm

Paul Nixon

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Ralph Nesbitt wrote in message
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I have no experience with "A/C Window Bullet Impact". Have seen
"Spidering
due Debris" from "uncontained engine failures. Have seen, dealt with the
aftermath of encounters between fighter type A/C & large birds such as
"Buzzards, Eagles, or other large carrion Feeders.

I have seen some of those. They make quite a mess.

The "Windshields of Southern 232", a DC-9, were broken out along with
"Catastrophic Engine Damage" by hail at altitude resulting in a
catastrophic
incident. Many "Hail Stones of ~3" Diameter were in the cockpit when we
arrived on scene within ~ 7 minuets of the incident. There were
substantial
"Dents/Dings" in the rear cockpit bulkhead from the "Hail Stones".

You've probably seen the Easyjet pics:
http://www.zap16.com/Easyjet%20out%20of%20hail.htm

Paul Nixon

Have seen the Easy et Pic's.

Was FD/CFR/ARFF Officer in Charge/On Scene Commander at the Southern 232
incident.
Ralph Nesbitt
Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type