Capt. Al Haynes sorta OT.

Richard Hertz wrote:

Most teachers I know are out the door long before then.

Also, most other salaried professionals work longer hours than teachers for
no extra pay either, so the gripes about extra take-home work falls on
uncaring ears.

The point is that there are a lot of bitter conservatives who seems to
thikn that teachers have some kind of sweetheart deal, and they often
cite "170 days a week, 6 hours a day." Margy's point is that teachers
work OT and extra time just like everyone else, and their deal is not as
sweet as some would portray it.

I oppose all those government gravy pensions. (Military/combat service
excluded)

Government pensions are good because government work pays less. The
good pensions are the compensation for working for less.

My company used to be like that too -- we were paid below market rates
but the generous pension was held out as an incentive. It's no
different -- well it is because over the last five years the company has
gutted the pension plan but you get the idea.


One other big problem is the non-meritocracy of government/school systems.
Pay is based on years of service and so-called education credits. In the
"real" world pay is based on performance, merit, etc.

uh-oh, better call the airlines.

"TTA Cherokee Driver" wrote in message
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they often cite "170 days a week..."

Damn, I thought I did a lot of overtime.

Paul

Paul Sengupta wrote:

"TTA Cherokee Driver" wrote in message
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they often cite "170 days a week..."


Damn, I thought I did a lot of overtime.


YOU KNOW WHAT I MEANT !!

"TTA Cherokee Driver" wrote in message
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Paul Sengupta wrote:

"TTA Cherokee Driver" wrote in message
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they often cite "170 days a week..."

Even that is not accurate, when stated correctly. In NC, we have students
for 180 days, with 20 more added for planning and training.
--
Jim in NC--
Jim in NC

TTA Cherokee Driver wrote:
Richard Hertz wrote:

Most teachers I know are out the door long before then.

Also, most other salaried professionals work longer hours than
teachers for
no extra pay either, so the gripes about extra take-home work falls on
uncaring ears.


The point is that there are a lot of bitter conservatives who seems to
thikn that teachers have some kind of sweetheart deal, and they often
cite "170 days a week, 6 hours a day." Margy's point is that teachers
work OT and extra time just like everyone else, and their deal is not as
sweet as some would portray it.

That's a dumb statement. I am quite conservative (NRA Life member no
less), am I am one of the folks defending teachers here ... except for
the union/tenure aspect. I don't agree with that.


Matt

Government pensions are good because government work pays less. The
good pensions are the compensation for working for less.

Dunno what government jobs YOU are looking at -- but around here, the
Gubmint jobs pay substantially MORE than their private sector equivalents.

Just one example: A secretary at the University of Iowa can easily clear
$40K per year -- AND have the best health care and retirement I've ever
seen, anywhere.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote:

Government pensions are good because government work pays less. The
good pensions are the compensation for working for less.


Dunno what government jobs YOU are looking at -- but around here, the
Gubmint jobs pay substantially MORE than their private sector equivalents.

Just one example: A secretary at the University of Iowa can easily clear
$40K per year -- AND have the best health care and retirement I've ever
seen, anywhere.

Well around here software engineers for the state don't get squat
compared to private industry. Neither do engineers working at any
level of government, actually.

Well around here software engineers for the state don't get squat
compared to private industry. Neither do engineers working at any
level of government, actually.

That is something odd about government jobs. Entry level positions seem to
pay way above standard wages, while professional level jobs seem to pay way
under standard.

Wonder why?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote:
Well around here software engineers for the state don't get squat
compared to private industry. Neither do engineers working at any
level of government, actually.


That is something odd about government jobs. Entry level positions seem to
pay way above standard wages, while professional level jobs seem to pay way
under standard.

Wonder why?

Because the civil service system is largely based on seniority and
arbitrary job classifications rather than market value as in the private
sector.

Matt