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Newps writes:

Ron Natalie wrote:

That's the price you have to pay to get the exposure of eBay and I
always feel safer buying stuff from essentially anonymous people with
a credit card (through PayPal if need be).

When you pay thru Pay Pal you are not protected. Pay Pal is a third
party. Since you didn't pay the seller directly your credit card
company is not obligated to fight on your behalf if you get screwed.

Is everyone aware of PayPal horror stories?

http://paypalsucks.com/

Note especially:
1. According to PayPal accepting their ToS (Terms of Service)
in effect means you waive your rights to credit card consumer
protection laws, and that you may not issue a chargeback for
anything you purchase using your credit card and PayPal
account that you are unsatisfied with.

I don't appreciate eBay behaviors either. I think it's good that some
people avoid them.

--kyler

"Kyler Laird" wrote in message ...

Is everyone aware of PayPal horror stories?'

Yes, but it's mostly sellers who gripe.

1. According to PayPal accepting their ToS (Terms of Service)
in effect means you waive your rights to credit card consumer
protection laws, and that you may not issue a chargeback for
anything you purchase using your credit card and PayPal
account that you are unsatisfied with.

Not true in practice. Especially not for nondelivery. You file your
paypal complaint. For non-delivery they do pretty good about sucking
the funds back from the seller if they are there. If not, you then file
for chargeback from your credit card. Paypal reserves the right to
cancel your account for that, but in practice they don't.

Ron Natalie wrote:
"Kyler Laird" wrote in message ...


Not true in practice. Especially not for nondelivery. You file your
paypal complaint. For non-delivery they do pretty good about sucking
the funds back from the seller if they are there. If not, you then file
for chargeback from your credit card. Paypal reserves the right to
cancel your account for that, but in practice they don't.


I have two friends who used PayPal, didn't get their order and didn't
get a refund from PayPal so the charged back their cards. Both friends
had their PayPal accounts terminated due to the charge back. So yes it
works, but will only work one time.....

George
http://www.MilAirComms.com

Note that Ebay owns Paypal.

I personally have used both many times, and have never had a problem.
BUT my sister lost $300 on a digital camera that was on EBay and paid
for with PayPal, so I guess I've just been lucky.

The A23 Icom radio that the original poster listed was intriguing to me,
but it reminds me that it's pretty hard to protect yourself 100% on a
mail-order deal with an individual or even companies.

Dave Blevins

On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 05:12:07 GMT, Kyler Laird
wrote:

Newps writes:

Ron Natalie wrote:

That's the price you have to pay to get the exposure of eBay and I
always feel safer buying stuff from essentially anonymous people with
a credit card (through PayPal if need be).

When you pay thru Pay Pal you are not protected. Pay Pal is a third
party. Since you didn't pay the seller directly your credit card
company is not obligated to fight on your behalf if you get screwed.

Is everyone aware of PayPal horror stories?

http://paypalsucks.com/

Note especially:
1. According to PayPal accepting their ToS (Terms of Service)
in effect means you waive your rights to credit card consumer
protection laws, and that you may not issue a chargeback for
anything you purchase using your credit card and PayPal
account that you are unsatisfied with.

I don't appreciate eBay behaviors either. I think it's good that some
people avoid them.

--kyler

wrote in message ...

The A23 Icom radio that the original poster listed was intriguing to me,
but it reminds me that it's pretty hard to protect yourself 100% on a
mail-order deal with an individual or even companies.

Credit cards are usually a pretty safe bet. I have had a number of mischarges
and other protests on credit cards in the past 25 years and all of them have been
resolved to my satisfaction.