TSA (Totally Stupid Agency) fails again

The TSA could buy a lot of good will, and make some money by having
envelopes
at the security sites, and sending Leathermen and other tools along with
the
passenger in a secure part of the airplane. Or mailing them home.


San Antonio (SAT) has that available. I don't know if the TSA organized it
or the airport managment.

Harry
PP-ASEL

Harry Gordon wrote:


The TSA could buy a lot of good will, and make some money by having
envelopes at the security sites, and sending Leathermen and other
tools along with the passenger in a secure part of the airplane.
Or mailing them home.


San Antonio (SAT) has that available. I don't know if the TSA organized it
or the airport managment.

If it's like some other airports, a private operator convinced the TSA
to allow them to set up the envelopes and a mailbox near the inspection
areas. You pay a flat rate with a credit card, and the envelope is sent
Priority Post.

Prior to this service, the TSA wouldn't even let people return to the
ticket counter to check the forbidden object, or to go to a post office,
if there was one in the terminal. The TSA simply said if they find
something restricted, they keep it. You bet people were ****ed off when
they would confiscate a $80 Leatherman.

(Brien K. Meehan) wrote in message . com...
(Jeb) wrote in message . com...
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It's, umm, "cute" that the unnamed union spokesman managed to twist
some logic and blame this incident on sky marshals.

Now wit seems that being Roy Rogers is OK

It's, umm, "cute" that this unnamed person managed to twist some logic
and blame this incident on Roy Rogers.

Maybe I meant the Lone Ranger

(Brien K. Meehan) wrote in message . com...
(Jeb) wrote in message . com...
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It's, umm, "cute" that the unnamed union spokesman managed to twist
some logic and blame this incident on sky marshals.

Now wit seems that being Roy Rogers is OK

It's, umm, "cute" that this unnamed person managed to twist some logic
and blame this incident on Roy Rogers.

It's, umm, "cute" that this person managed to twist some logic
and blame this incident on someone blaming Roy Rogers.

(Brien K. Meehan) wrote in message om...


Wow, that's quite a lot of joy about a potentially deadly situation.

I am just wondering what the potentially deadly situation was? Were
the bullets going to jump out and attack someone? Maybe he was going
to put them in his shoe and set it on fire?

So, are you advocating airport security breaches, or just a fan?

I'm a fan, thanks for asking. Are you someone that thinks we are
safer flying now that the TSA is in charge, or just a fan of the pat
down? Sorry some of us noticed that the same minimum wage slaves are
manning the checkpoints doing the same half-assed job. I am a fan of
anything that points out how wasted these efforts are, not to mention
how much (of our) money the feds are wasting. Luckily the Gestapo has
people like you to spout their party line because most intelligent
people have stopped believing it when it comes from their mouth.

(Darren Johnson) wrote in message . com...
I am just wondering what the potentially deadly situation was? Were
the bullets going to jump out and attack someone? Maybe he was going
to put them in his shoe and set it on fire?

Interesting speculations. Have these things been known to happen? Do
you believe these events are likely?

Maybe he was going to put them in a gun and fire it at someone. This
has been known to happen with bullets, but I'm also speculating.

I'm a fan, thanks for asking.

Thank you.

Do you condone criminal behavior in general, or just that which could
be related to terrorism? If the latter, do you advocate terrorism in
general, or terrorism targeted towards people in the United States?

Luckily the Gestapo has
people like you to spout their party line because most intelligent
people have stopped believing it when it comes from their mouth.

Hmm. I haven't spouted any party line, but you just did, literatum.

(Brien K. Meehan) wrote in
om:

Judah wrote in message
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So while the US walks around jumping up and down cancelling flights
because of misinformation and X-Raying the shoes of children and old
ladies, the TRUTH is that the TSA is ineffective, and the majority of
the security process at airports is a farce.

That's an interesting speculation. One could just as easily speculate
that the cancellations were based on accurate information, random
screening is effective, and the TSA has prevented thousands of
terrorist acts.

So you mean to imply that if the TSA cancelled a flight with a terrorist
aboard, it would put such a dent in the terrorists plans and capabilities
that he would not try it again? Wow! I didn't realize just how demoralized
these terrorists are!

Some groups of people speculate this way, and some groups speculate
that way.

What group are you with?

It is also pleasing because some of us still have a glimmer of a hope
that this country will wake up and stop abdicating civil rights in the
name of protection from "potentially deadly situations."

Hmm, this reminds me of footage I saw of a group of people encouraging
this country to "think" and "wake up."

Huh?

The only thing that you can guarantee in life is death.

Is this a threat?

What?!?!? It is a simple fact. Regardless of your preference, humans do not
currently live forever. I wonder what made you interpret this simple fact
as a threat, though. I suspect you are so terrorized by the media that even
the mention of the word death scares you into feeling personally
threatened. I feel very sorry for you.

When the government imposes upon the
people's civil rights in the name of "protecting us from potentially
deadly situations," it is disturbing to me.

So change it.

I'm trying. But there are still many people like yourself who feel so
vulnerable and threatened by the media hype and scare tactics, that they
believe civil rights are not the issue. They would rather cower in a corner
and let the government "protect" them from some amorphous enemy. They are
totally terrorized. Not by the actions of some Arabic underground or some
midwestern-based American Militia group. They are terrorized by the fact
that every day they see reports on TV telling them about every possible
point of vulnerability that exists in their own neighborhood. They don't
remember that there are more people struck by lightning each year in the US
than are killed by terrorist attacks. And that they still also have a
better chance at being hit by a drunk driver as they walk on the sidewalk
than either of those. They would give up anything to protect themselves
from a chance of death, but won't do anything to protect their freedom, to
protect their life.

But the bottom line is this: my joy comes because an innocent American
man who did not hurt anyone nor had any intention to hurt anyone was
free to get on an airplane and fly to London without being harassed or
arrested.

That's an interesting speculation. One could just as easily speculate
that this passenger was performing reconaissance for his terrorist
cell, trying to determine the amount of ammuniton he could
successfully smuggle aboard an aircraft.

Perhaps 300 terrorist passengers will board a 747, each carrying a single
bullet. During the flight, they will empty all of the powder from the 300
bullets into a coke can, seal it, and blow the whole plane up in the
biggest suicide bombing of the century! Get real!

Do you know when the idea of hijacking a plane and flying it into New York
was first 'published'? On April 27, 1999, it was presented by the media as
the plan of two kids from Columbine High School.

http://www-tech.mit.edu/V119/N22/littleton.22w.html
http://www.jsonline.com/news/apr99/0427plot.asp

So let the media keep feeding ideas to your terrorists...

Some groups of people speculate this way, and some groups speculate
that way.

What is the name of your group again?

So, do you think that terrorists could never figure out a way around
the TSA, or that TSA workers will never make a mistake, or are you
just gullible or delusional?

If I were either one, I wouldn't realize it.

There are lots of people in the world, taught to blindly hate and
destroy, believing that they're actually doing good, "fighting" for
what's "right." I don't think these people realize that they're
gullible or deluded, but I don't think I'm in that group.

The gullible and deluded ones think that the terrorists are somewhere in
the Middle East planning to bomb their local little-town bank, civic
center, or power plant for the sake of their political freedom. They don't
realize that today's terrorists have a very specific goal of increasing
their position of money and power. They live and work right here in the US,
in places like Rockefeller Center and Pennsylvania Avenue.

(Brien K. Meehan) wrote in message . com...
(Darren Johnson) wrote in message . com...
I am just wondering what the potentially deadly situation was? Were
the bullets going to jump out and attack someone? Maybe he was going
to put them in his shoe and set it on fire?

Interesting speculations. Have these things been known to happen? Do
you believe these events are likely?

About as likely as you answering a question in a clear manor.

Maybe he was going to put them in a gun and fire it at someone. This
has been known to happen with bullets, but I'm also speculating.

Well since you seem to have ignored the question I'll try using
smaller words for you, what was the "potentially deadly situation"?
That he might shoot someone in the future?

I'm a fan, thanks for asking.

Thank you.

Do you condone criminal behavior in general, or just that which could
be related to terrorism? If the latter, do you advocate terrorism in
general, or terrorism targeted towards people in the United States?

What I do condone is mocking idiot regulations and pointing out their
lack of effect. But I guess I shouldn't enjoy watching little holes
be poked into your delusional sense of security. As for terrorism, no
I don't condone it at all, but I would rather there was a terrorist on
every corner than give up any of our civil liberties in the name of
safety. History has already shown that giving them up doesn't result
in anyone being any safer.

Luckily the Gestapo has
people like you to spout their party line because most intelligent
people have stopped believing it when it comes from their mouth.

Hmm. I haven't spouted any party line, but you just did, literatum.

Wow, so brainwashed you probably think you have your own ideas too,
don't you? Don't worry the government will tell you what to think
next week too.

But maybe I still remember what question everything means.

"Brien K. Meehan" wrote:

(Darren Johnson) wrote in message . com...
I am just wondering what the potentially deadly situation was? Were
the bullets going to jump out and attack someone? Maybe he was going
to put them in his shoe and set it on fire?

Interesting speculations. Have these things been known to happen? Do
you believe these events are likely?

Maybe he was going to put them in a gun and fire it at someone.

Well, if he gets a gun, then we might have a problem. Until then, what's the
potentially deadly situation? I've not seen a gun shop at an airport yet, but
I could've missed one.

George Patterson
Great discoveries are not announced with "Eureka!". What's usually said is
"Hummmmm... That's interesting...."

Saryon opined

On 15 Jan 04 08:30:59 -0500, "Ash Wyllie" wrote:

Paul Tomblin opined

In a previous article, (Jeb) said:
http://www.itv.com/news/7878.html

I just flew to Newark and back this weekend (commercial) and when packing
discovered a package of firecrackers that have been in the bag on two
commercial trips and not been discovered on either swab test. On the way
back, the screeners discovered my BuckTool (like a Leatherman, it's a
folding multi-tool with two 7-8 cm long knife blades) that I'd totally
forgotten about and which had been in my bum bag on the trip out.

Fortunately Newark Airport has a Staples so I bought an envelope and some
stamps and mailed it back to myself.

The TSA could buy a lot of good will, and make some money by having
envelopes at the security sites, and sending Leathermen and other tools
along with the passenger in a secure part of the airplane. Or mailing them
home.

Well, at least in KBOS they have an area set up where for $10 you get
an envelope and can mail back whatever they were about to take.....
Would have more good will if they paid for it, but at least it's
better than "gone foever"....

I heard the TSA is changing its policy to allow people who trip alarms to
leave the security area and straighten out any problems, and then retry the
gauntlet.

-ash
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