Certificate- Wallet or Bag?

"Jürgen Exner" wrote in message
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Chuck wrote:
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Where do you keep your certificate? I have always read that if
stopped by the police on the road they have the right to "see" your
license (AOPA decal in rear window).

You need a pilot certificate when driving a car? Which country are you
from?
If you are talking about the USA then would you mind posting a pointer to
the relevant FAR paragraph?

Oh, and what about when you are selling the car to a non-pilot? Are you/is
he legally required to remove the AOPA sticker?

I'm not a pilot, but I keep my A&P in my wallet.

One thing they drilled into us during FAR's at A&P school is that any
law enforcement officer can ask to see the license.

That's right. _When_your_are_executing_the_privileges_of_this_li cense then
any law enforcement officer may request to see your license.
But since when do you need a A&P or a pilot certificate for driving a car?
Well, maybe for the car in "The Man with the Golden Gun", but otherwise?

jue




First off, learn to properly snip.

2nd, I said that we were told in school that ANY law enforcement officer can
ask to see it. I never said when, I said ANY.
I can't speak for the pilot's certificate because I don't have one, but as
far as the mechanics certificate goes the FAR §65.105 states "Each person
who holds a repairman certificate shall keep it within the immediate area
where he normally exercises the privileges of the certificate and shall
present it for inspection upon the request of the Administrator or an
authorized representative of the National Transportation Safety Board, or of
any Federal, State, or local law enforcement officer".

I didn't say you had to have an A&P or pilot certificate to drive a car, did
I? Get real!

If a law enforcement officer asks to see your certificate and you don't
happen to have it with you, what is he going to do about it? Report to the
FAA that you were driving too fast without a pilot's license?

Keep your certificate wherever you can be sure it will be with you when
you
are going flying, and stop worrying so much.


would that be "flying low"? or "Low flying"

BT

It's not quite analagous, but my father was asked by a policeman for his
amateur radio license. Dad, my wife, and I are all licensed and have state of
Ohio issued callplate license plates; it's a specific automobile license plate
category in Ohio and has "amateur radio" embossed below the license plate
number, which is the amateur radio station callsign. I'll guess that it was
intended to permit police to know which cars are likely to have emergency
communication equipment, but it's mostly taken as a cheap vanity plate by the
ham community. Apparently the police request is legal and must be honored; I
don't know if there's actually a penalty for not having the license, and I've
never seen an Ohio law saying that the certificate has to be on the driver's
person. Federal law (FCC regs) do say that the license has to be immediately
available when the licensee is exercising the priveleges of his radio
transmitting license. Dad was incensed, I looked into it a little bit, found
that it happens occasionally, reportedly more in Michigan than in Ohio.

On the other hand, the license plate is a governmental identification. I can't
imagine police having any right to do anything on the basis of an American Radio
Relay League sticker on your car.


David (PP-instr.)
Amateur Radio Station AD8Y

Jeff Franks wrote:

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news Robert, but your about to get flamed.

This group historically looks down on anyone who likes their license/cert to
be something worth showing off. We're supposed to spend $5k on our
hobby/profession, then tuck it in our wallet and never let it out. As
pilots, we're above such petty things...............yea....right.

As for your question, I think its a bit of overthinking. My understanding
of the Fed's rules is that only a representative of the administrator can
require you to show it....but that was pre-9/11. Depending on your state
laws, yes, a cop can ask to see your certificate, but why would he? If you
were at the airport or on the ramp, then I might understand their need...er
desire to prove who you are. But just driving down the road, I can't
imagine a policeman so hardup as to ask for your license based on your AOPA
sticker. Heck, I was a AOPA member for 15 years before I was a AO or a P
Just tell them your a wannabe.

jeff

Truth be known, most local police probably don't know that they have the
"right" to ask for it.
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Yea! With my change of address I am finally relieved of the old
dot-matrix paper certificate. The fancy new holographic plastic
license came in today's mail! I get to write my name right over ole
Wilber n' Orville! (Made my pilgrimage to Kiity Hawk in November)

Question

Where do you keep your certificate? I have always read that if
stopped by the police on the road they have the right to "see" your
license (AOPA decal in rear window). We've also been cautioned to just
let the officer "see" the certificate and never to actually "hand" it
over. Since we must have it with us when we fly, is it better to keep
it in the flight bag as I've always done? I don't always have the bag
in the car.

I guess I really already know the answer.... just excited to finally
have something to be proud of after all these years. But I AM curious.
Where do you keep yours?


Robert Haigh
LWM 'n BED

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Where do you keep your certificate?

It is 2004, there's a war going on, there's a presidential election getting
started, and there's always the endless necessity of taking care of daily
business.

Please tell me you have something more important to worry about than which
pocket you keep your certificate in!

Good God!

On 2004-01-25 06:29:47 -0800, said:

Where do you keep yours?

Now that my CFI certificate is three times as thick as it used to be, I
keep it on my desk. Can't say I'm looking forward to the day that I have
to replace my pilot certificate. The "plain old" paper certificates are a
lot easier to carry around in one's wallet because they don't take a lot of
room.

--
Larry Fransson
Seattle, WA

Chuck wrote:

One thing they drilled into us during FAR's at A&P school is that any law
enforcement officer can ask to see the license.

Well, they can ask, but there's no reg that says that I have to show it to them
if I don't have it with me, and there's no reg that says I have to have it with
me if I'm not flying.

George Patterson
Great discoveries are not announced with "Eureka!". What's usually said is
"Hummmmm... That's interesting...."

Chuck wrote:
First off, learn to properly snip.

Says someone who does a full-quote. Oh, well, never mind....

2nd, I said that we were told in school that ANY law enforcement
officer can ask to see it. I never said when, I said ANY.

Well, yes, that's true, fair enough.
However the discussion was about if you are required to present your license
(pilot license in this case, but it really doesn't matter much if it's an
A&P) to a police officer when driving a car. Therefore it I think it is a
valid assumption that you were answering this particular question when you
replied that you need to present it to any police officer.

I didn't say you had to have an A&P or pilot certificate to drive a
car, did I? Get real!

From the original article (literal quote):
I have always read that if stopped by the police on the
road they have the right to "see" your license

To this you replied (literal quote):
One thing they drilled into us during FAR's at A&P school is that
any law enforcement officer can ask to see the license.

Now, please draw your own conclusions how a reader will interpret your reply
to this question.

jue

It had never occurred to me that a random pokice officer could
ask me for my pilot's licence because of the AOPA sticker on my car,
so that's not why I keep it in my wallet (although as a foreigner
I do worry more and more about being whisked off to jail for
no good reason and kept there indefinitely - civil liberties don't
seem to be a high priority in the land of the free these days).

I keep my certificate, and my medical, in my wallet so I can go
flying on impulse without having my flight bag with me. I also
keep a couple of headsets in the plane, and carry the plane key
around in my pocket along with all the others. I've only ever actually
done that a couple of times, but it's nice to know I can.

John

wrote in message
om...
Yea! With my change of address I am finally relieved of the old
dot-matrix paper certificate. The fancy new holographic plastic
license came in today's mail! I get to write my name right over ole
Wilber n' Orville! (Made my pilgrimage to Kiity Hawk in November)

Question

Where do you keep your certificate? I have always read that if
stopped by the police on the road they have the right to "see" your
license (AOPA decal in rear window). We've also been cautioned to just
let the officer "see" the certificate and never to actually "hand" it
over. Since we must have it with us when we fly, is it better to keep
it in the flight bag as I've always done? I don't always have the bag
in the car.

I guess I really already know the answer.... just excited to finally
have something to be proud of after all these years. But I AM curious.
Where do you keep yours?


Robert Haigh
LWM 'n BED

In article , TaxSrv
wrote:

If you leave your
flight bag in the FBO and land at a place where FAA is doing ramp
checks, you're going to have a Homer Simpson moment.

You are not required to submit to a ramp check.

"Jürgen Exner" wrote in message
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Chuck wrote:
First off, learn to properly snip.

Says someone who does a full-quote. Oh, well, never mind....


Yes, I quoted the full text of the message so you might see what I was
talking about, but apparntley not. You made it look like I wrote the whole
message. I didn't. Also, snip sure makes it alot easier to read replies
that have been snipped.


2nd, I said that we were told in school that ANY law enforcement
officer can ask to see it. I never said when, I said ANY.

Well, yes, that's true, fair enough.
However the discussion was about if you are required to present your
license
(pilot license in this case, but it really doesn't matter much if it's an
A&P) to a police officer when driving a car. Therefore it I think it is a
valid assumption that you were answering this particular question when you
replied that you need to present it to any police officer.


You are correct. I did misread the post and I apoligize for my mistake.

I wasn't thinking when the OP said that if you were driving down the road...

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