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Old January 29th 04, 09:35 PM
Jay Honeck
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Unlikely "Soulseek" is illegal. There may be files on the
peer-to-peer network that appear to be in violation of copyright law,
but that doesn't mean the service is illegal.


Providing the means and method with which to break the law isn't illegal?

By that logic, (and admittedly this is an extreme example) the guy who
supplied the explosives to blow up the Federal Building in Oklahoma City
should be released. All he did was provide the means, right?

And Soulseek is providing these means on a truly grand scale. I'm no
lawyer, but using the site sure "felt" illegal!
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Old January 29th 04, 10:23 PM
Ron Natalie
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:L8eSb.181253$xy6.869765@attbi_s02...

Providing the means and method with which to break the law isn't illegal?


In general not. Otherwise every gun store owner and manufactuer would
already be locked up. Depending on the local laws, it may or may not
be legal for me to carry locksmithing tools with me. In some cases it's
only illegal for me to carry them if I intend to use them to break the law.

In the case of communications, you've really got to provide a convincing
case (or a lot of bribe money, er I mean, campaign donations) to place
a restriction on it.

By that logic, (and admittedly this is an extreme example) the guy who
supplied the explosives to blow up the Federal Building in Oklahoma City
should be released. All he did was provide the means, right?


I'm not sure who you are talking about. If you're talking about Nichols,
he did more than just provide explosives...he was found guilty of conspiracy.

And Soulseek is providing these means on a truly grand scale. I'm no
lawyer, but using the site sure "felt" illegal!


Using it may be illegal, but that doesn't make the site owners liable.

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Old January 29th 04, 10:27 PM
Jay Honeck
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Providing the means and method with which to break the law isn't
illegal?

In general not. Otherwise every gun store owner and manufactuer would
already be locked up. Depending on the local laws, it may or may not
be legal for me to carry locksmithing tools with me. In some cases it's
only illegal for me to carry them if I intend to use them to break the

law.

Good point. The law really does seem to be schizophrenic about this issue.

Figuring out where someone becomes an "accessory" to a crime is a really,
really fine line.
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Jay Honeck
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Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
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Old January 29th 04, 10:42 PM
Ron Natalie
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:aVeSb.51839$U%5.286277@attbi_s03...


Good point. The law really does seem to be schizophrenic about this issue.


Not much more than anything else.

Figuring out where someone becomes an "accessory" to a crime is a really,
really fine line.


Generally, you need specific knowledge about the criminal act. Prior restraint
on free speech is a hard thing to enforce even with a statute (or else these sites
would be long gone).

These sites will argue that they exist only to facilitate legal sharing of information.
The fact that they could be used for illegal activity doesn't making them (by their
argument) any more liable than Xerox is if someone sticks a $100 bill in the copier
and starts running off copies.

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Old January 29th 04, 11:51 PM
G.R. Patterson III
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Jay Honeck wrote:

Providing the means and method with which to break the law isn't

illegal?

In general not. Otherwise every gun store owner and manufactuer would
already be locked up. Depending on the local laws, it may or may not
be legal for me to carry locksmithing tools with me. In some cases it's
only illegal for me to carry them if I intend to use them to break the

law.

Good point. The law really does seem to be schizophrenic about this issue.


Not at all. Anybody can make and sell anything that has a legal use. It is using
the item to break the law that's illegal, and that includes conspiring to do so.
Nothing schizoid about it.

George Patterson
Love, n.: A form of temporary insanity afflicting the young. It is curable
either by marriage or by removal of the afflicted from the circumstances
under which he incurred the condition. It is sometimes fatal, but more
often to the physician than to the patient.
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Old January 30th 04, 04:04 PM
Tom Sixkiller
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"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
...


Jay Honeck wrote:

Providing the means and method with which to break the law isn't

illegal?

In general not. Otherwise every gun store owner and manufactuer

would
already be locked up. Depending on the local laws, it may or may not
be legal for me to carry locksmithing tools with me. In some cases

it's
only illegal for me to carry them if I intend to use them to break the

law.

Good point. The law really does seem to be schizophrenic about this

issue.

Not at all. Anybody can make and sell anything that has a legal use. It is

using
the item to break the law that's illegal, and that includes conspiring to

do so.
Nothing schizoid about it.


(Maybe I'm missing the context here) Really? Try building your own .45 Auto
just to keep around the house or shoot at the range..



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Old January 30th 04, 06:45 PM
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what about it? you live in cali where they're funny about that? cause ive
built several of my own guns including a .45, .308 FAL, AR-15 etc.(next
will be a AK) but as long as you do it within the boundaries of state and
federal laws its perfectly legal. -Nick (also a FFL holder)

(Maybe I'm missing the context here) Really? Try building your own .45

Auto
just to keep around the house or shoot at the range..





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Old January 30th 04, 08:08 PM
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I doubt anyone you know built their own firearm. At least what the BATF
classifies as a firearm. In the case of the 1911 Style .45 it is the frame.
In the case of the AR-15 it is the lower receiver. those are the parts with
the serial number on them.

I've assembled several guns but I've never manufactured one. The paperwork
to do so would be ridicules.

Gig Giacona
www.peoamerica.net/N601WR

"BigNick73" wrote in message
.. .
what about it? you live in cali where they're funny about that? cause ive
built several of my own guns including a .45, .308 FAL, AR-15 etc.(next
will be a AK) but as long as you do it within the boundaries of state and
federal laws its perfectly legal. -Nick (also a FFL holder)

(Maybe I'm missing the context here) Really? Try building your own .45

Auto
just to keep around the house or shoot at the range..







 




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