Camloc Installation Tools

"Ernest Christley" wrote in message
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On another note. DZUS fasteners are pretty old. Is the patent still in
effect. Patents only last 20yrs in most cases.

I kinda doubt the tools I made for installing Dzus buttons would be a cause
of action even if the patent were still alive. The tools for installing
the grummets and the receptacules are fairly simple. Futhahmoah, I doubt
the tools one would make to install camlocs or southco fasteners would
violate any patent unless you exactly copied THEIR tools. And even then
I'm still skeptickle. Geezus, Youseff et Maria, the silly little drill
jig for installing the camloc receptacles is priced at $475 in ACS. It's
practically the same thing as a drill jig for anchor nuts and I know goddamn
well those are not patented. Uncle Sam, do you have a patent on those?

If zoozes are not in the public domain I'm a monkey's uncle. Matter of
fact you can buy them at auto speed shops and they don't even call them
zoozes.

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jls wrote:

"Ernest Christley" wrote in message
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On another note. DZUS fasteners are pretty old. Is the patent still in
effect. Patents only last 20yrs in most cases.



I kinda doubt the tools I made for installing Dzus buttons would be a cause
of action even if the patent were still alive. The tools for installing
the grummets and the receptacules are fairly simple. Futhahmoah, I doubt
the tools one would make to install camlocs or southco fasteners would
violate any patent unless you exactly copied THEIR tools. And even then
I'm still skeptickle. Geezus, Youseff et Maria, the silly little drill
jig for installing the camloc receptacles is priced at $475 in ACS. It's
practically the same thing as a drill jig for anchor nuts and I know goddamn
well those are not patented. Uncle Sam, do you have a patent on those?

If zoozes are not in the public domain I'm a monkey's uncle. Matter of
fact you can buy them at auto speed shops and they don't even call them
zoozes.


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http://www.ernestisasweetie.org/
"Ignorance is mankinds normal state,
alleviated by information and experience."
Veeduber






the silly little drill jig for installing the camloc receptacles is priced at $475 in ACS.

OK, I'm no A&P and haven't been to mechanic school. I have been
installing camloc receptacles for 30 years and never ever heard of one
of those drill jigs. I use one of those, I guess you call them step
drills. I don't see how anything could be better than those even if they
were the same $15.00 or so. $475.00!! OUCH! I think I would gnaw a hole
in there first

From: "L.D."


jls wrote:

"Ernest Christley" wrote in message
r.com...
[...]


On another note. DZUS fasteners are pretty old. Is the patent still in
effect. Patents only last 20yrs in most cases.



I kinda doubt the tools I made for installing Dzus buttons would be a cause
of action even if the patent were still alive. The tools for installing
the grummets and the receptacules are fairly simple. Futhahmoah, I doubt
the tools one would make to install camlocs or southco fasteners would
violate any patent unless you exactly copied THEIR tools. And even then
I'm still skeptickle. Geezus, Youseff et Maria, the silly little drill
jig for installing the camloc receptacles is priced at $475 in ACS. It's
practically the same thing as a drill jig for anchor nuts and I know goddamn
well those are not patented. Uncle Sam, do you have a patent on those?

If zoozes are not in the public domain I'm a monkey's uncle. Matter of
fact you can buy them at auto speed shops and they don't even call them
zoozes.


--
http://www.ernestisasweetie.org/
"Ignorance is mankinds normal state,
alleviated by information and experience."
Veeduber






the silly little drill jig for installing the camloc receptacles is priced
at $475 in ACS.

OK, I'm no A&P and haven't been to mechanic school. I have been
installing camloc receptacles for 30 years and never ever heard of one
of those drill jigs. I use one of those, I guess you call them step
drills. I don't see how anything could be better than those even if they
were the same $15.00 or so. $475.00!! OUCH! I think I would gnaw a hole
in there first

I wonder if ASS has sold any of those. I can imagine them having the same one
on the shelf for years.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

On 04 May 2004 02:45:58 GMT, (B2431) wrote:

OK, I'm no A&P and haven't been to mechanic school. I have been
installing camloc receptacles for 30 years and never ever heard of one
of those drill jigs. I use one of those, I guess you call them step
drills. I don't see how anything could be better than those even if they
were the same $15.00 or so. $475.00!! OUCH! I think I would gnaw a hole
in there first

I wonder if ASS has sold any of those. I can imagine them having the same one
on the shelf for years.

Don't have to sell too many, at that price. It's like the "Far
Side" cartoon with the two spiders building a web across the
door of an elementary school: "Yeah, but if we pull it off,
we'll eat like kings!" :-)

Ron Wanttaja

In article ,
Ron Wanttaja wrote:

On 04 May 2004 02:45:58 GMT, (B2431) wrote:

OK, I'm no A&P and haven't been to mechanic school. I have been
installing camloc receptacles for 30 years and never ever heard of one
of those drill jigs. I use one of those, I guess you call them step
drills. I don't see how anything could be better than those even if they
were the same $15.00 or so. $475.00!! OUCH! I think I would gnaw a hole
in there first

I wonder if ASS has sold any of those. I can imagine them having the same one
on the shelf for years.

Don't have to sell too many, at that price. It's like the "Far
Side" cartoon with the two spiders building a web across the
door of an elementary school: "Yeah, but if we pull it off,
we'll eat like kings!" :-)

Ron Wanttaja


I have a pliers and the dimple dies that I bought from a Camloc supplier
30 years ago -- I certainly did NOT pay the amounts quoted above for
them! It was something like $10 for the pliers and $25 for the grommet
dimple dies. I also found another pliers at a surplus tool place for $3
about 10 years ago.

You can make tools to cut the proper size holes by grinding a couple of
spade bits to the proper diameter -- they work very well on sheet
aluminum.

"Ron Wanttaja" wrote in message
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On 04 May 2004 02:45:58 GMT, (B2431) wrote:

OK, I'm no A&P and haven't been to mechanic school. I have been
installing camloc receptacles for 30 years and never ever heard of one
of those drill jigs. I use one of those, I guess you call them step
drills. I don't see how anything could be better than those even if they
were the same $15.00 or so. $475.00!! OUCH! I think I would gnaw a hole
in there first

I wonder if ASS has sold any of those. I can imagine them having the same
one
on the shelf for years.

Don't have to sell too many, at that price. It's like the "Far
Side" cartoon with the two spiders building a web across the
door of an elementary school: "Yeah, but if we pull it off,
we'll eat like kings!" :-)

Ron Wanttaja


That Mr. Wanttaja is a funny (and ordinarily amicable) guy but sometimes a
little intimidating. The last exchange I had with him sent me into
temporary exile when he demanded a duel. And all I had done was recognize
his lawyerly wisdom. "Pistols at dawn," he said, if memory serves.

The mechanics on our airport make their own tools for camloc installation
and are astounded by the prices for ACS's tools.
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I thoroughly disapprove of duels. I consider them unwise and I know they are
dangerous. Also, sinful. If a man should challenge me, I would take him
kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet retired spot and
kill him.
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On Wed, 5 May 2004 08:21:59 -0400, " jls" wrote:

That Mr. Wanttaja is a funny (and ordinarily amicable) guy but sometimes a
little intimidating. The last exchange I had with him sent me into
temporary exile when he demanded a duel. And all I had done was recognize
his lawyerly wisdom. "Pistols at dawn," he said, if memory serves.

Don't worry, I would have deloped. :-)

Ron "...and I would have aimed using my blind eye" Wanttaja