Kerry -- WAY WAY OFF THREAD BUT INTERESTING.

In article 9O3Yb.333342$na.490595@attbi_s04,
"Gary Drescher" wrote:

This newsgroup appears to be a microcosm of the nation right now. We have a
small band of right-wing fanatics who are panicking about Kerry's lead over
Bush in the polls, so they're desperate to find some distraction from the
issues that concern the electorate.

Were these the same pollsters who had Dean so far out in front?

--
Ron

Were these the same pollsters who had Dean so far out in front?

Good point!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Ron Parsons" wrote in message
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In article 9O3Yb.333342$na.490595@attbi_s04,
"Gary Drescher" wrote:

This newsgroup appears to be a microcosm of the nation right now. We
have a
small band of right-wing fanatics who are panicking about Kerry's lead
over
Bush in the polls, so they're desperate to find some distraction from the
issues that concern the electorate.

Were these the same pollsters who had Dean so far out in front?

Yes, of course. And those polls accurately reflected voter preferences at
the time. Polls don't purport to show what the preferences will necessarily
be in the future. Everyone understands that distinction, don't they?

--Gary

Yes, of course. And those polls accurately reflected voter preferences at
the time. Polls don't purport to show what the preferences will
necessarily
be in the future. Everyone understands that distinction, don't they?

You truly believe that those polls were accurate? You've got more faith in
pollsters than I do.

Or, I suppose, one could conclude that the polls WERE accurate, and that
those Democrats who supported Dean so strongly simply showed the loyalty of
a bunch of alley cats?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:4i6Yb.197204$U%5.1028608@attbi_s03...
Yes, of course. And those polls accurately reflected voter preferences
at
the time. Polls don't purport to show what the preferences will
necessarily
be in the future. Everyone understands that distinction, don't they?

You truly believe that those polls were accurate? You've got more faith
in
pollsters than I do.

Or, I suppose, one could conclude that the polls WERE accurate, and that
those Democrats who supported Dean so strongly simply showed the loyalty
of
a bunch of alley cats?

Huh? How do you infer the strength of any individual's support from the
poll results? A bunch of people are asked to express whatever (perhaps very
small) preference they may have at the moment, well before the actual vote.
Is there some reason that such a preference should establish a debt of
"loyalty" that overrides future deliberations or developments?

--Gary

Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Is there some reason that such a preference should establish a debt of
"loyalty" that overrides future deliberations or developments?

How far in the "future" should we assume someone's loyalty? A month? A
week? The polls showed Dean was favored by the majority of Democrats in
Iowa -- right up till the last day.

And they were totally wrong.

Now that may have something to do with the caucus structure, which (IMHO) is
completely bogus, but I think it also says something about polls. And,
perhaps, Democrats.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:R37Yb.197505$U%5.1032695@attbi_s03...
Is there some reason that such a preference should establish a debt of
"loyalty" that overrides future deliberations or developments?

How far in the "future" should we assume someone's loyalty? A month? A
week?

Until the flight strip is discarded. :-) (Sorry, that's a reference to
another thread here--one that's actually on-topic.)

--Gary

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:4i6Yb.197204$U%5.1028608@attbi_s03...
Yes, of course. And those polls accurately reflected voter preferences
at
the time. Polls don't purport to show what the preferences will
necessarily
be in the future. Everyone understands that distinction, don't they?

You truly believe that those polls were accurate? You've got more faith
in
pollsters than I do.

Or, I suppose, one could conclude that the polls WERE accurate, and that
those Democrats who supported Dean so strongly simply showed the loyalty
of
a bunch of alley cats?
--

Come on Jay..... Dean melted down right there in your state. That speech
that ended in the scream killed him. I had no doubt that he would have such
a melt down sooner or later. I was hoping it would happen after he had won
the Dems nomination. Maybe October or so.

Gig G

Come on Jay..... Dean melted down right there in your state. That speech
that ended in the scream killed him.

You think so? I don't know -- Clinton gave a similar speech after losing
Iowa or New Hampshire (I forget which), and it was seen as "galvanizing" and
"good spin"...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Gig Giacona" wrote in message
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Come on Jay..... Dean melted down right there in your state. That speech
that ended in the scream killed him. I had no doubt that he would have
such
a melt down sooner or later. I was hoping it would happen after he had won
the Dems nomination. Maybe October or so.

He was dead (had lost) BEFORE the scream; the scream (his real "self")
merely sealed his fate.