172S Weight and Balance Question

I'm also betting you'd find yourself without insurance if there was an
incident.


"David J" wrote in message
.. .
INFO:
Taking a 2 hour trip with two on board in 172S. We are 280 lb each.(560)
Fuel 53 gal at (318lbs) a little luggage 50 to 75 pounds. 2002 172S Empty
Weight (1720) after figuring W&B total weight is 2673 or 123 lbs over 2550
max takeoff and landing weight. Upon arrival I will be at or near landing
weight after fuel burn. I can ask FBO to unload 20 gallons of fuel or so
at
an extra expense of $2.72 a gallon and get the numbers right.

QUESTION:
Can I safely/legally takeoff 4000 foot runway, 60 air temp elevation 400'
180hp or should I just bite the bullet and pay for the extra fuel to be
unloaded as opposed to taking a chance. Please be nice to me I know I
need
to loose weight. I do want to be safe just don't have enough expierience
to
make this judgement call without a little help from the expierience in
this
group.

David J
PP-ASEL

David,

I'm also betting you'd find yourself without insurance if there was
an
incident.

And your basis for that statement?

Aviation insurance policies no longer deny coverage for violation of
FARs. They used to try to do so, but in virtually every accident
someone can point out a violation, even it's only the "careless and
reckless" catch-all, so that language was pulled out of the policies.

All the best,
Rick




"David J" wrote in message
.. .
INFO:
Taking a 2 hour trip with two on board in 172S. We are 280 lb each.(560)
Fuel 53 gal at (318lbs) a little luggage 50 to 75 pounds. 2002 172S Empty
Weight (1720) after figuring W&B total weight is 2673 or 123 lbs over 2550
max takeoff and landing weight. Upon arrival I will be at or near landing
weight after fuel burn. I can ask FBO to unload 20 gallons of fuel or so
at
an extra expense of $2.72 a gallon and get the numbers right.

QUESTION:
Can I safely/legally takeoff 4000 foot runway, 60 air temp elevation 400'
180hp or should I just bite the bullet and pay for the extra fuel to be
unloaded as opposed to taking a chance. Please be nice to me I know I
need
to loose weight. I do want to be safe just don't have enough expierience
to
make this judgement call without a little help from the expierience in
this
group.

David J
PP-ASEL

"Rick Durden" wrote in message
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I'm also betting you'd find yourself without insurance if there was
an incident.

And your basis for that statement?

Aviation insurance policies no longer deny coverage for violation of
FARs.

They do? You should tell my insurance carrier that. Certain violations of
the FARs DO invalidate my policy.

Besides, an insurance policy need not have a general provision about FAR
violations. It still would not be all that surprising to find a policy that
stipulates that the plane be flown within its airworthiness certificate
(including not being flown overweight). Nothing in the statement you're
attempting to rebut said anything whatsoever about the policy having a
general provision about FAR violations.

When you've read every single insurance policy in existence, then you might
feel free to make blanket generalizations like that. Until then, you might
want to consider refraining from suggesting people can feel free to fly
their aircraft overweight without worrying about being covered by their
policy. Also, in the meantime, you might make a better effort to actually
read statements you're trying to argue against.

Pete