Flying to Europe

In article ,
Bob Webster wrote:
Just for fun, I put up a web page on flying to Europe:

http://xpda.com/flyingtoeurope

I really liked that site until I got the part about "unless you're flying
something slow, like a TBM 700 or a PC 12". Way to make a guy feel slow!

--
Ben Jackson

http://www.ben.com/

You left out the Faroe (spelling) islands. They are between Iceland
and Scotland and my understanding is they have an airport with fuel.
They belong to Denmark. Also, what is it like to fly VFR in Europe?
But yes, it's a great site. One thing, all these over the water regs,
who enforces them? I mean what jurisdiction are you under when flying
them?

Must be a great trip. I have flight planned it with my Jeppessen
FlightStar, but never flown it. I got the longest leg at 465 NM
(Greenland to Iceland), but it may be shorter if you land and fuel up
with portable tanks at an airport in Greenland, (maybe there is fuel
there, I dunno). I suggest you include some info for smaller, slower
GA planes, if you can.

(Ben Jackson) wrote in message news:Yzu7c.58383$po.546602@attbi_s52...
In article ,
Bob Webster wrote:
Just for fun, I put up a web page on flying to Europe:

http://xpda.com/flyingtoeurope

I really liked that site until I got the part about "unless you're flying
something slow, like a TBM 700 or a PC 12". Way to make a guy feel slow!

Doug,

Also, what is it like to fly VFR in Europe?


Well, you look out the window... ;-)

What aspect interests you most? The main problem on longer trips is
that regs tend to vary a lot from country to country. E.g., Spain
requires flight plans for all VFR flights. In Germany, airfields are
only open when an official "observer" is present. Landing fees are
common and high.

Other than that, it's fun. Oh, and the fuel prices differ somewhat....

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Good points -- I'll gather some info on the Faroes and see about some
shorter hops. I also fly an Aircam, and I think it would be great to fly
to Iceland and Greenland (but not necessarily in that order).

I haven't flown much VFR in Europe, but from what I've seen it's similar
to the U.S. In a lot of places a non-local VFR flight requries a flight
plan, and there are a LOT of restricted areas with funny names. I'd
recommend asking the locals if a route is reasonable before you take off.

I think the overwater regs are enforced by the country you fly out of
and the country you're based at. There was a Chicago Convention a long
time ago, and people from countries that signed that agreement are
allowed into other countries that signed that agreement without getting
shot down. Except the U.S., if you forget to contact Customs.

Bob

Doug wrote:

You left out the Faroe (spelling) islands. They are between Iceland
and Scotland and my understanding is they have an airport with fuel.
They belong to Denmark. Also, what is it like to fly VFR in Europe?
But yes, it's a great site. One thing, all these over the water regs,
who enforces them? I mean what jurisdiction are you under when flying
them?

Must be a great trip. I have flight planned it with my Jeppessen
FlightStar, but never flown it. I got the longest leg at 465 NM
(Greenland to Iceland), but it may be shorter if you land and fuel up
with portable tanks at an airport in Greenland, (maybe there is fuel
there, I dunno). I suggest you include some info for smaller, slower
GA planes, if you can.

(Ben Jackson) wrote in message news:Yzu7c.58383$po.546602@attbi_s52...

In article ,
Bob Webster wrote:

Just for fun, I put up a web page on flying to Europe:

http://xpda.com/flyingtoeurope

I really liked that site until I got the part about "unless you're flying
something slow, like a TBM 700 or a PC 12". Way to make a guy feel slow!

SNIP: Bob Webster wrote in message om...
Good points -- I'll gather some info on the Faroes and see about some
shorter hops. I also fly an Aircam, and I think it would be great to fly
to Iceland and Greenland (but not necessarily in that order).

WOW! I knew that an Air Cam had long legs but good grief, fly one
across the big pond? Just a back of the envelope reply: How long
would that take? How much range and endurance does an Air Cam have?
I know they have been flown across the Gulf of Mexico from Florida to
Cancun.

What an adventure that would be.

Blue skies

John Pelchat

P.S. your original post - it is a very interesting site and I
enjoyed reading what you had to say.

In article ,
(John Pelchat) wrote:

SNIP: Bob Webster wrote in message
om...
Good points -- I'll gather some info on the Faroes and see about some
shorter hops. I also fly an Aircam, and I think it would be great to fly
to Iceland and Greenland (but not necessarily in that order).

WOW! I knew that an Air Cam had long legs but good grief, fly one
across the big pond? Just a back of the envelope reply: How long
would that take? How much range and endurance does an Air Cam have?
I know they have been flown across the Gulf of Mexico from Florida to
Cancun.

What an adventure that would be.

Blue skies

John Pelchat

P.S. your original post - it is a very interesting site and I
enjoyed reading what you had to say.

I have a friend who flew a T-Craft L-2 from California to israel. He
actually landed on the Greenland glacier when it climbed faster than he
did -- turned around, took off and flew around the tip of Greenland.

His L-2 is probably the best-equipped L-2 in the world!

Orval Fairbairn wrote in message .. .
In article ,
(John Pelchat) wrote:

SNIP: Bob Webster wrote in message
om...
Good points -- I'll gather some info on the Faroes and see about some
shorter hops. I also fly an Aircam, and I think it would be great to fly
to Iceland and Greenland (but not necessarily in that order).

WOW! I knew that an Air Cam had long legs but good grief, fly one
across the big pond? Just a back of the envelope reply: How long
would that take? How much range and endurance does an Air Cam have?
I know they have been flown across the Gulf of Mexico from Florida to
Cancun.

What an adventure that would be.

Blue skies

John Pelchat

P.S. your original post - it is a very interesting site and I
enjoyed reading what you had to say.

I have a friend who flew a T-Craft L-2 from California to israel. He
actually landed on the Greenland glacier when it climbed faster than he
did -- turned around, took off and flew around the tip of Greenland.

His L-2 is probably the best-equipped L-2 in the world!

Cessna 150´s cross the Atlantic on a routine basis. We even had a
Boeing Stearman here a few years back (via Goose bay, Narsarsuaq and
Reykjavík, then on to Höfn, Torshavn and over to Scotland)

"Sigvaldi Eggertsson" wrote in message
om...
We even had a
Boeing Stearman here a few years back (via Goose bay, Narsarsuaq and
Reykjavík, then on to Höfn, Torshavn and over to Scotland)

That's got to be cold! If you thought you knew what cold
was, I suspect this trip would make you think again...

Paul

Orval Fairbairn wrote in message n
His L-2 is probably the best-equipped L-2 in the world!

wouldn't it happen to be the one I once saw at Amelia Reid's Aviation in
Reid-Hillview by any chance?

--Sylvain

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(Sylvain) wrote:

Orval Fairbairn wrote in message n
His L-2 is probably the best-equipped L-2 in the world!

wouldn't it happen to be the one I once saw at Amelia Reid's Aviation in
Reid-Hillview by any chance?

--Sylvain

It could very well be. It was Ken Hershberg -- his L-2 is blue
fuselage/yellow wings, with prewar US ARmy markings.

The French were reluctant to let him through French airspace in a
"foreign military" plane. Once he got to Israel, he dismantled it and
sent it airfreight to LAX, where he reassembled it and flew back to
Silicon Valley. He used to keep it at Hollister.