Self fly hire in the US

"S Green" wrote in message ...
"Nigel" wrote in message
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I am from the UK and I'm visiting the US for my summer vacation this year
and plan to do some flying from a flying school in Naples Florida. I have
a
UK and US license and all I want is a bi-annual/check ride and then rent a
plane for a couple of trips around the general area, maybe even venture
down
to Key West as I have done before..

Do I need to obtain a US visa for this?

Nigel

If you have a private pilots license and you merely wish to build up flight
hours, you will require a B-2 visa. While you may be eligible to travel
visa free under the Visa Waiver Program, if otherwise qualified, since the
introduction of the Applicability of Aviation and Transportation Security
Act, we would recommend that you apply for a B-2 visa.
When applying for the B-2 visa and entry into the U.S. you will be required
to furnish a letter from the flight school stating the type of aircraft you
will be flying.

Detailed information on visa application procedures and advice on how to
schedule an interview at the Embassy is available from our website at
www.usembassy.org.uk



I am not an expert on this subject, but this sounds quite ridiculous.
His primary reason for visiting the U.S. is vacation, not flying.
Renting an airplane is incidental to his travel, just like renting a
car, or a bicycle. Why does that require a special visa? Does a
regular tourist visa prohibit one from renting or purchasing an
aircraft?

"Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message Does a
regular tourist visa prohibit one from renting or purchasing an
aircraft?

It does not require a special visa and can be done if one has entered under
the Visa Waiver Program. US authorities become interested when a foreign
national wants training in an aircraft weighing over 12500 pounds. Then the
visa alone is insufficient.

D.

I am not an expert on this subject, but this sounds quite ridiculous.
His primary reason for visiting the U.S. is vacation, not flying.

Well, Mohammed Atta's primary visiting for visiting the U.S. was
suicide and mass destruction. The flight instruction was secondary.


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"Cub Driver" wrote in message
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I am not an expert on this subject, but this sounds quite ridiculous.
His primary reason for visiting the U.S. is vacation, not flying.

Well, Mohammed Atta's primary visiting for visiting the U.S. was
suicide and mass destruction. The flight instruction was secondary.


The rules are there to protect American citizens. Not being American, if I
want to visit your country I will follow your rules until they become so
difficult that its not worth it. Then I will go and spend my cash elsewhere.

I am ****ed about the imposition it has on my flying but at the end of the
day the 911 terrorists learnt to fly at US flying schools.

Incidentally, the authorities are interested in the size of plane and when I
visited at Christmas to do some training (4hours) I had the visa, and a
letter saying that the plane was less than 12,500 pounds.

To do 4 hours training, (JAR to FAA conversion) the visa paperwork took
three hours, the visa cost $100 and I had to wait 4 hours for a 2 minute
interview at the embassy.

"Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message
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"S Green" wrote in message
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"Nigel" wrote in message
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I am from the UK and I'm visiting the US for my summer vacation this
year
and plan to do some flying from a flying school in Naples Florida. I
have
a
UK and US license and all I want is a bi-annual/check ride and then
rent a
plane for a couple of trips around the general area, maybe even
venture
down
to Key West as I have done before..

Do I need to obtain a US visa for this?

Nigel

If you have a private pilots license and you merely wish to build up
flight
hours, you will require a B-2 visa. While you may be eligible to travel
visa free under the Visa Waiver Program, if otherwise qualified, since
the
introduction of the Applicability of Aviation and Transportation
Security
Act, we would recommend that you apply for a B-2 visa.
When applying for the B-2 visa and entry into the U.S. you will be
required
to furnish a letter from the flight school stating the type of aircraft
you
will be flying.

Detailed information on visa application procedures and advice on how to
schedule an interview at the Embassy is available from our website at
www.usembassy.org.uk



I am not an expert on this subject, but this sounds quite ridiculous.
His primary reason for visiting the U.S. is vacation, not flying.
Renting an airplane is incidental to his travel, just like renting a
car, or a bicycle. Why does that require a special visa? Does a
regular tourist visa prohibit one from renting or purchasing an
aircraft?

Yes, I hesitate commenting, but I have never been asked for my passport when
renting a plane - just my medical, license and logbook. Why would a visa be
required and why would an FBO ask for one? Of course, if you do not have an
FAA license I would understand, but this person has one.

Harvey

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"Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message
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"S Green" wrote in message
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"Nigel" wrote in message
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I am from the UK and I'm visiting the US for my summer vacation this
year
and plan to do some flying from a flying school in Naples Florida. I
have
a
UK and US license and all I want is a bi-annual/check ride and then
rent a
plane for a couple of trips around the general area, maybe even
venture
down
to Key West as I have done before..

Do I need to obtain a US visa for this?

Nigel

If you have a private pilots license and you merely wish to build up
flight
hours, you will require a B-2 visa. While you may be eligible to
travel
visa free under the Visa Waiver Program, if otherwise qualified, since
the
introduction of the Applicability of Aviation and Transportation
Security
Act, we would recommend that you apply for a B-2 visa.
When applying for the B-2 visa and entry into the U.S. you will be
required
to furnish a letter from the flight school stating the type of
aircraft
you
will be flying.

Detailed information on visa application procedures and advice on how
to
schedule an interview at the Embassy is available from our website at
www.usembassy.org.uk



I am not an expert on this subject, but this sounds quite ridiculous.
His primary reason for visiting the U.S. is vacation, not flying.
Renting an airplane is incidental to his travel, just like renting a
car, or a bicycle. Why does that require a special visa? Does a
regular tourist visa prohibit one from renting or purchasing an
aircraft?

Yes, I hesitate commenting, but I have never been asked for my passport
when
renting a plane - just my medical, license and logbook. Why would a visa
be
required and why would an FBO ask for one? Of course, if you do not have
an
FAA license I would understand, but this person has one.

Harvey

You need the visa to get into the country not to rent a plane. To rent you
need to produce your medical, licence and logbook. Being foreign, I keep my
passport on me because the FARs require photo ID when exercising the
privileges of the licence / certificate.

"Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message
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"S Green" wrote in message
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"Nigel" wrote in message
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I am from the UK and I'm visiting the US for my summer vacation this
year
and plan to do some flying from a flying school in Naples Florida. I
have
a
UK and US license and all I want is a bi-annual/check ride and then
rent a
plane for a couple of trips around the general area, maybe even
venture
down
to Key West as I have done before..

Do I need to obtain a US visa for this?

Nigel

If you have a private pilots license and you merely wish to build up
flight
hours, you will require a B-2 visa. While you may be eligible to travel
visa free under the Visa Waiver Program, if otherwise qualified, since
the
introduction of the Applicability of Aviation and Transportation
Security
Act, we would recommend that you apply for a B-2 visa.
When applying for the B-2 visa and entry into the U.S. you will be
required
to furnish a letter from the flight school stating the type of aircraft
you
will be flying.

Detailed information on visa application procedures and advice on how to
schedule an interview at the Embassy is available from our website at
www.usembassy.org.uk



I am not an expert on this subject, but this sounds quite ridiculous.
His primary reason for visiting the U.S. is vacation, not flying.
Renting an airplane is incidental to his travel, just like renting a
car, or a bicycle. Why does that require a special visa? Does a
regular tourist visa prohibit one from renting or purchasing an
aircraft?

Ridiculous or not it is advice from the US embassy. Ask them the question
yourself then.

"Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message
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"S Green" wrote in message
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"Nigel" wrote in message
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I am from the UK and I'm visiting the US for my summer vacation this
year
and plan to do some flying from a flying school in Naples Florida. I
have
a
UK and US license and all I want is a bi-annual/check ride and then
rent a
plane for a couple of trips around the general area, maybe even
venture
down
to Key West as I have done before..

Do I need to obtain a US visa for this?

Nigel

If you have a private pilots license and you merely wish to build up
flight
hours, you will require a B-2 visa. While you may be eligible to travel
visa free under the Visa Waiver Program, if otherwise qualified, since
the
introduction of the Applicability of Aviation and Transportation
Security
Act, we would recommend that you apply for a B-2 visa.
When applying for the B-2 visa and entry into the U.S. you will be
required
to furnish a letter from the flight school stating the type of aircraft
you
will be flying.

Detailed information on visa application procedures and advice on how to
schedule an interview at the Embassy is available from our website at
www.usembassy.org.uk



I am not an expert on this subject, but this sounds quite ridiculous.
His primary reason for visiting the U.S. is vacation, not flying.
Renting an airplane is incidental to his travel, just like renting a
car, or a bicycle. Why does that require a special visa? Does a
regular tourist visa prohibit one from renting or purchasing an
aircraft?

As the advice says you may be able to hour build ie rent on the Visa waiver
program but it recommends getting the B-2 (tourist visa) and a letter from
the plane company to give details of the planes you are likely to hire.

Anyone in doubt should read this link:

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...threadid=65838

"S Green" wrote in message
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"Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message
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"S Green" wrote in message
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"Nigel" wrote in message
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I am from the UK and I'm visiting the US for my summer vacation this
year
and plan to do some flying from a flying school in Naples Florida. I
have
a
UK and US license and all I want is a bi-annual/check ride and then
rent a
plane for a couple of trips around the general area, maybe even
venture
down
to Key West as I have done before..

Do I need to obtain a US visa for this?

Nigel

If you have a private pilots license and you merely wish to build up
flight
hours, you will require a B-2 visa. While you may be eligible to
travel
visa free under the Visa Waiver Program, if otherwise qualified, since
the
introduction of the Applicability of Aviation and Transportation
Security
Act, we would recommend that you apply for a B-2 visa.
When applying for the B-2 visa and entry into the U.S. you will be
required
to furnish a letter from the flight school stating the type of
aircraft
you
will be flying.

Detailed information on visa application procedures and advice on how
to
schedule an interview at the Embassy is available from our website at
www.usembassy.org.uk



I am not an expert on this subject, but this sounds quite ridiculous.
His primary reason for visiting the U.S. is vacation, not flying.
Renting an airplane is incidental to his travel, just like renting a
car, or a bicycle. Why does that require a special visa? Does a
regular tourist visa prohibit one from renting or purchasing an
aircraft?

As the advice says you may be able to hour build ie rent on the Visa
waiver
program but it recommends getting the B-2 (tourist visa) and a letter from
the plane company to give details of the planes you are likely to hire.

Anyone in doubt should read this link:

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...threadid=65838

I've read the link. It says that if he has a FAA license he can come on the
visa waver program and fly as long has he meets the usual BFR/Medical
standards.

Where do you get the bit about recommending getting a B-2? You
realize what a complete pain in the neck this is these days, don't you?
Why make it more complicated?

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"S Green" wrote in message
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"Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message
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"S Green" wrote in message
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"Nigel" wrote in message
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I am from the UK and I'm visiting the US for my summer vacation
this
year
and plan to do some flying from a flying school in Naples Florida.
I
have
a
UK and US license and all I want is a bi-annual/check ride and
then
rent a
plane for a couple of trips around the general area, maybe even
venture
down
to Key West as I have done before..

Do I need to obtain a US visa for this?

Nigel

If you have a private pilots license and you merely wish to build up
flight
hours, you will require a B-2 visa. While you may be eligible to
travel
visa free under the Visa Waiver Program, if otherwise qualified,
since
the
introduction of the Applicability of Aviation and Transportation
Security
Act, we would recommend that you apply for a B-2 visa.
When applying for the B-2 visa and entry into the U.S. you will be
required
to furnish a letter from the flight school stating the type of
aircraft
you
will be flying.

Detailed information on visa application procedures and advice on
how
to
schedule an interview at the Embassy is available from our website
at
www.usembassy.org.uk



I am not an expert on this subject, but this sounds quite ridiculous.
His primary reason for visiting the U.S. is vacation, not flying.
Renting an airplane is incidental to his travel, just like renting a
car, or a bicycle. Why does that require a special visa? Does a
regular tourist visa prohibit one from renting or purchasing an
aircraft?

As the advice says you may be able to hour build ie rent on the Visa
waiver
program but it recommends getting the B-2 (tourist visa) and a letter
from
the plane company to give details of the planes you are likely to hire.

Anyone in doubt should read this link:

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...threadid=65838

I've read the link. It says that if he has a FAA license he can come on
the
visa waver program and fly as long has he meets the usual BFR/Medical
standards.

Where do you get the bit about recommending getting a B-2? You
realize what a complete pain in the neck this is these days, don't you?
Why make it more complicated?

Read further up this post, the info came from the US embassy. As I say if in
doubt write to them yourself. The advice in the link was posted in Feb 2003,
the advice from the US embassy was January 2004



When I queried the bit about the recommendation they came up with this:

Some travellers are eligible to travel under the Visa Waiver Program in lieu
of a B-2 visa. While you may meet the requirements for visa free travel, we
recommend that you apply for a visa, which will ease your entry into the
United States. Please bear in mind, however, that the information above is
only appropriate if you are only building up flight hours.

If you intend to receive flight training in the US, you will require an F, J
or M visa.

At the end of the day you can choose to take the advice or not it is up to
you.

If you decide it is too much trouble then fine, go and spend your money
somewhere else, but if you really want to fly in the US follow the rules.
And remember this bit of information from the US embassy website

A visa is issued by a U.S. Embassy or Consulate. A visa entitles the holder
to travel to the United States and apply for admission; it does not
guarantee entry. An immigration inspector at the port of entry determines
the visa holder's eligibility for admission into the United States.