Reasons to talk to ATC...

G.R. Patterson III wrote:

Cub Driver wrote:

When a VFR flight plan is in use, an average of 37 hours and 18 minutes
elapse from LKP to rescue.
When no flight plan is in use, an average of 42 hours and 24 minutes
elapse from LKP to rescue.

This is not a very strong motivation to file a flight plan!


Well, keep in mind that those are averages. Since every once in a while you read
about someone who isn't found for six months, and every time it seems to be someone
who didn't file a flight plan at all, I think there's some incentive.

I'd also like to know how many in each category are never found.

George Patterson
This marriage is off to a shaky start. The groom just asked the band to
play "Your cheatin' heart", and the bride just requested "Don't come home
a'drinkin' with lovin' on your mind".

Well, and I would guess it is also averaged for the whole country. I
think they would find you much faster when busting the Washington DC
ADIZ due to an emergency than when impacting the ground in the desert
out west. They may find you fast in White Sands, but more so because
they blasted a missile through your wings and tracked it (well you
shouldn't be there anyway) .

Chris
PP-ASEL
Student Glider Pilot
New Mexico

than when impacting the ground in the desert
out west.

Or the piney woods here in New Hampshire. (How many years did it take
to find that biz jet that crashed while figuring to land at Lebanon
NH? Three? Four?)

all the best -- Dan Ford
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On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 16:08:43 -0500, Cub Driver
wrote:


than when impacting the ground in the desert
out west.

Or the piney woods here in New Hampshire. (How many years did it take
to find that biz jet that crashed while figuring to land at Lebanon
NH? Three? Four?)

all the best -- Dan Ford
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Three, and the guy who found it wasn't looking for it. I find it
difficult to understand how they could have missed it all those years
because it was almost directly under the IFR approach to Lebanon.
Right where you'd expect it to be if they were making the approach and
misjudged their location and descended too early. Hit rising terrain
and disappeared into a jungle of broken trees.

The problem was that the previous winter we had a horrendous ice
storm, the likes of which you would never see in a lifetime of living
up here. Three or four inches of ice developed on all trees above a
certain altitude. This snapped trees in half and created a landscape
that hasn't been seen since WWI in many areas. It was into one of
these areas that the hapless Learjet was lost.

Three years later a forester discovered it by literally walking into
it when surveying for logging for the land owners.

It had a cockpit voice recorder and the pilot's voices were still on
it. They did NOT, however, have an ELT and I understand that now
light jets are being required to install them. I also understand that
this Learjet crash is the reason they are now being required.

Corky Scott

Chris wrote in message ...
They may find you fast in White Sands, but more so because
they blasted a missile through your wings and tracked it (well you
shouldn't be there anyway) .


I used to fire missiles at White Sands. Sometimes we had no idea
where the missile went :-( For that reason I wouldn't recommend
flying right on the borders of the restricted areas when there is
activity on the range. Often the missiles don't know where the
restricted area ends and free airspace begins.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

"John Galban" wrote in message om...

I used to fire missiles at White Sands.

Did White Sands ever fire back?

I had the interesting job of being paid to break into White Sands once.

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message om...


I had the interesting job of being paid to break into White Sands once.

Working for the Russians? :-) You must have had an easy job of
it. Security was pretty lax most of the time. Whenever I forgot my
badge, my boss would drop hers out the window and I'd use it to get
in. She was short, middle aged, redheaded lady, and I was a skinny,
dark haired, 18 y.o. guy. I once gained access to a TS area buy
pretending I was supposed to be there and showing my drivers' license.
The made me sign in, but said nothing about the case of beer I was
carrying. We stored the beer under the computer room subfloor so it
would be good and cold when we finished work early in the morning.

I certainly hope things are better now, but I doubt it.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

"John Galban" wrote in message
om...
"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
om...


I had the interesting job of being paid to break into White Sands once.

Working for the Russians? :-) You must have had an easy job of
it. Security was pretty lax most of the time. Whenever I forgot my
badge, my boss would drop hers out the window and I'd use it to get
in. She was short, middle aged, redheaded lady, and I was a skinny,
dark haired, 18 y.o. guy. I once gained access to a TS area buy
pretending I was supposed to be there and showing my drivers' license.
The made me sign in, but said nothing about the case of beer I was
carrying. We stored the beer under the computer room subfloor so it
would be good and cold when we finished work early in the morning.

I certainly hope things are better now, but I doubt it.

Nope (well, MAYBE since 9/11, but I'd not hold my breath) read "Red Cell" by
Richard Marcinko (founder of counter-terrorist group SEAL Team 6). They
actually snuck aboard a nuclear sub and planted false demolition charges and
a slew of other goodies even when the base commanders knew they were coming
and roughly the targets they would try to access.