Bush still a pilot?

I was reading a "debate" in another NG about the ANG "yanking" President
Bush's pilots certification.

1) Does the military issue and have control over military certifications,
just as the FAA does civillians? I would assume so, but not sure... Also, if
that is the case, how easy would it be for a military pilot to get FAA
certification?

2) Can they "yank" a cetificate? Does there have to be a violation or failed
medical for this?

3) Do you know if Bush is still certified?

The other NG has me curious now...

Thanks...

Chuck



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There used to be a military written exam, which was pretty much oriented
toward civilian regulations and procedures. The feds figured that the
military pilots did not need to be quizzed on aerodynamics or
navigation...they get much better training than we do. With their military
Form 5 (as I recall) and the test results, they went to the FSDO and got a
civilian license. I doubt that GWB went to that trouble. John Kerry, on the
other hand, has been an active general aviation pilot and owns his own
Cessna twin.

Bob Gardner

"Chuck" wrote in message
nk.net...
I was reading a "debate" in another NG about the ANG "yanking" President
Bush's pilots certification.

1) Does the military issue and have control over military certifications,
just as the FAA does civillians? I would assume so, but not sure... Also,
if
that is the case, how easy would it be for a military pilot to get FAA
certification?

2) Can they "yank" a cetificate? Does there have to be a violation or
failed
medical for this?

3) Do you know if Bush is still certified?

The other NG has me curious now...

Thanks...

Chuck



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In article et,
"Chuck" wrote:

I was reading a "debate" in another NG about the ANG "yanking" President
Bush's pilots certification.

He was non current due to his medical being overdue. Whoever said
"yanking" was ill-informed or ill intentioned.


1) Does the military issue and have control over military certifications,
just as the FAA does civillians? I would assume so, but not sure... Also, if
that is the case, how easy would it be for a military pilot to get FAA
certification?

On graduation from AF flight school, there was available a short 25
question exam from the FAA in order to received a Commercial Instrument.

--
Ron

3) Do you know if Bush is still certified?

George W. is currently the highest ranking Bush pilot in the US.

Hilton

With their military
Form 5 (as I recall) and the test results, they went to the FSDO and got a
civilian license. I doubt that GWB went to that trouble.

I recall Karl Rove telling a story about flying in a 172 with Bush some time
after the begiining of their work to together on his campaign for governor of
TX, so he was a civilian pilot at one point.

Unless he had is certificate revoked for some infraction, all he would need to
fly now would be a current Class 3 physical and a BFR.

And some way to evade the Secret Service.

Don
--
Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS
PP-ASEL
Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG

"Bob Gardner" wrote in message
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There used to be a military written exam, which was pretty much oriented
toward civilian regulations and procedures. The feds figured that the
military pilots did not need to be quizzed on aerodynamics or
navigation...they get much better training than we do. With their military
Form 5 (as I recall) and the test results, they went to the FSDO and got a
civilian license. I doubt that GWB went to that trouble.

What would make you say that? What basis, other than political prejudice, do
you have to rest that on?

FYI, the president must have had a civillian certification at some point
because I have read a couple of stories of people flying in a Cessna with
him.

John Kerry, on the
other hand, has been an active general aviation pilot and owns his own
Cessna twin.

Well isn't he just the most wonderful person in the whole wide world. I
wonder if his wifey bought him that as well?

And the original question had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with John
Kerry, but yet you found it necessary to interject your own political two
cents into an otherwise non political discussion. Good for you.





"Chuck" wrote in message
nk.net...
I was reading a "debate" in another NG about the ANG "yanking" President
Bush's pilots certification.

1) Does the military issue and have control over military
certifications,
just as the FAA does civillians? I would assume so, but not sure...
Also,
if
that is the case, how easy would it be for a military pilot to get FAA
certification?

2) Can they "yank" a cetificate? Does there have to be a violation or
failed
medical for this?

3) Do you know if Bush is still certified?

The other NG has me curious now...

Thanks...

Chuck



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No political leanings whatsoever. It was my opinion, until I read the
postings about the 172, that once he got out of the Reserves, his business
interests took precedence over continuing in aviation. Insofar as Kerry is
concerned, I was contrasting my (obviously mistaken) thinking about GWB's
pilot status with that of Kerry, nothing more. And I'm pretty sure that
Kerry could afford his own plane, although his wife could surely buy him
several.

Bob Gardner

"Thomas J. Paladino Jr." wrote in message
...

"Bob Gardner" wrote in message
news:3Qvic.25857$GR.3341237@attbi_s01...
There used to be a military written exam, which was pretty much oriented
toward civilian regulations and procedures. The feds figured that the
military pilots did not need to be quizzed on aerodynamics or
navigation...they get much better training than we do. With their
military
Form 5 (as I recall) and the test results, they went to the FSDO and got
a
civilian license. I doubt that GWB went to that trouble.

What would make you say that? What basis, other than political prejudice,
do
you have to rest that on?

FYI, the president must have had a civillian certification at some point
because I have read a couple of stories of people flying in a Cessna with
him.

John Kerry, on the
other hand, has been an active general aviation pilot and owns his own
Cessna twin.

Well isn't he just the most wonderful person in the whole wide world. I
wonder if his wifey bought him that as well?

And the original question had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with
John
Kerry, but yet you found it necessary to interject your own political two
cents into an otherwise non political discussion. Good for you.





"Chuck" wrote in message
nk.net...
I was reading a "debate" in another NG about the ANG "yanking"
President
Bush's pilots certification.

1) Does the military issue and have control over military
certifications,
just as the FAA does civillians? I would assume so, but not sure...
Also,
if
that is the case, how easy would it be for a military pilot to get FAA
certification?

2) Can they "yank" a cetificate? Does there have to be a violation or
failed
medical for this?

3) Do you know if Bush is still certified?

The other NG has me curious now...

Thanks...

Chuck



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Chuck

Let me go over some points that will answer some of your questions.

1. When you graduate from the Air Force Pilot Training Schools
(program) you are given your wings and your records then show that you
are a rated pilot.

2. To fly a military aircraft after being rated pilot you need a
current (annual) physical and check out in type. If you are checked
out in type you also have to maintain currency which is another set of
rules.

3. As has been posted, you can normally take a simple FAA test on
Civilian Rules and receive a Commercial SE and/or ME license depending
on what you trained in (SE/ME or both).

4. If you don't have a current physical and/or currency you are
grounded but your rating is not taken away from you without 'board'
action (rare).

5. Since Bush got a clean bill of health when he left the Guard, there
was no cause to revoke his Military Pilot Rating.

6. If Bush wanted to fly a Military Aircraft now they probably would
let hem fly a dual control bird with an IP with him (like they did
going aboard the carrier where he flew some but did not make the
landing). As CIC he could probably force the issue even though he is
not 'current'. The secret service however might have a problem with
him doing that???? but I'd bet if he wanted to he would/could. Who
would tell him no )

I have seen nothing where he got a Commercial based on his Military
Pilot Training. If he did, the same civilian (FAA) rules apply as for
medical and check out for him to fly like any other civilian pilot.

Rain, low clouds and thunderstorms. Good time to hit the bar )

Big John

On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 14:56:06 GMT, "Chuck" wrote:

I was reading a "debate" in another NG about the ANG "yanking" President
Bush's pilots certification.

1) Does the military issue and have control over military certifications,
just as the FAA does civillians? I would assume so, but not sure... Also, if
that is the case, how easy would it be for a military pilot to get FAA
certification?

2) Can they "yank" a cetificate? Does there have to be a violation or failed
medical for this?

3) Do you know if Bush is still certified?

The other NG has me curious now...

Thanks...

Chuck



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"Thomas J. Paladino Jr." wrote

FYI, the president must have had a civillian certification at some
point because I have read a couple of stories of people flying in a
Cessna with him.

Didn't your mother teach you never to say always, never, or must?
I personally know of a couple of pilots who fly Cessna type aircraft
without the benefit of an FAA Airman Certificate. My father was one
of them back in the 1940s.

Bob Moore

I was reading a "debate" in another NG about the ANG "yanking" President
Bush's pilots certification.

Most of this discussion is carried on by folks who don't know what
they're talking about. In this case, "yanking" isn't what happened.
Bush did not take his flight physical in 1972 (presumably because he
wasn't in Texas but in Alabama), so he was grounded.

Interestingly, his last physical in 1973 showed him as "crew member on
flight status," so he presumably was either flying again or eligible
to do so, hence: no longer grounded.

I've looked into this hoo-hah with great diligence, and I have found
nothing to suggest that Bush flew an airplane after May 15, 1972, when
he cleared Ellington. Both his Texas unit and the one to which he
transferred in Alabama were phasing out the F-102A in 1972. He
evidently did not qualify in the replacement aircraft, the F-101B in
the case of Ellington.

http://www.warbirdforum.com/bushf102.htm




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