OT Invitiation to the end of the IRS

"Roger Halstead" wrote in message
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With a good grassroots effort, we can do this. The biggest obstacle we
face is
the attitutde that it can't be done.

You also face the flat tax places an unfair burden on the poor who can
not afford to pay the same percent as those in a higher income
bracket.

The flat tax doesn't even kick in until something like a $25,000 income
level.

The flat tax doesn't even kick in until something like a $25,000 income
level.


The problem is that the Flat Tax is still an income based tax, with all the
compliance costs inherent in that system. Sort of like rearranging the deck
chairs on the Titanic.

The FairTax eliminates all compliance costs for individuals and 90% of the
costs for business, as it is collected, for most states, through the existing
sales tax mechanism.

Don

--
Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS
PP-ASEL
Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG

On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 21:22:28 -0700, "Tom Sixkiller"
wrote:


"Roger Halstead" wrote in message
.. .

With a good grassroots effort, we can do this. The biggest obstacle we
face is
the attitutde that it can't be done.

You also face the flat tax places an unfair burden on the poor who can
not afford to pay the same percent as those in a higher income
bracket.

The flat tax doesn't even kick in until something like a $25,000 income
level.

If it does it's not a flat tax.
Also at $25,000 you are still talking individuals who can not afford
to spare a dime.

Today's, "taxable income" yes, but not a plain income and if it deals
that way, again it's not a flat tax.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

"Roger Halstead" wrote in message
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On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 21:22:28 -0700, "Tom Sixkiller"
wrote:


"Roger Halstead" wrote in message
.. .

With a good grassroots effort, we can do this. The biggest obstacle we
face is
the attitutde that it can't be done.

You also face the flat tax places an unfair burden on the poor who can
not afford to pay the same percent as those in a higher income
bracket.

The flat tax doesn't even kick in until something like a $25,000 income
level.

If it does it's not a flat tax.

It's flat once you reach the threshold.

Also at $25,000 you are still talking individuals who can not afford
to spare a dime.

Right now taxes kick in at $8000 for an unmarried person.


Today's, "taxable income" yes, but not a plain income and if it deals
that way, again it's not a flat tax.

Not in the strictest sense -- it does remove much of the depraved idiocy of
out present system (when GE sent their taxes into the Feds, it took a semi
tractor trailer to deliver all the paperwork.).

I'm opposed to a flat tax in that is leaves the IRS pretty much intact. Such
an agency with such powers has no place in a country ostensibly dedicated to
liberty. And, yes, Congress gave them their power, but even they can't reign
them in anymore.

Roger Halstead opined

On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 21:22:28 -0700, "Tom Sixkiller"
wrote:


"Roger Halstead" wrote in message
. ..

With a good grassroots effort, we can do this. The biggest obstacle we
face is
the attitutde that it can't be done.

You also face the flat tax places an unfair burden on the poor who can
not afford to pay the same percent as those in a higher income
bracket.

The flat tax doesn't even kick in until something like a $25,000 income
level.

If it does it's not a flat tax.
Also at $25,000 you are still talking individuals who can not afford
to spare a dime.

The marginal rate is flat, and that is the important part. Also it gets rid of
the credit/deduction part of the tax code, which is the difficult part.

Today's, "taxable income" yes, but not a plain income and if it deals
that way, again it's not a flat tax.

A tax system should include all income, including things like munis and
section 8 housing vouchers.

-ash
Cthulhu for President!
Why vote for a lesser evil?

Today's, "taxable income" yes, but not a plain income and if it deals
that way, again it's not a flat tax.

A tax system should include all income, including things like munis and
section 8 housing vouchers.

-ash
Cthulhu for President!
Why vote for a lesser evil?



No, it should include all SPENDING, not income. Taxing income leads to imbedded
taxes in prices and makes taxcation invisible. A Sales tax is visible. A flat
tax is still hidden.

Don

--
Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS
PP-ASEL
Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG

Wdtabor opined


Today's, "taxable income" yes, but not a plain income and if it deals
that way, again it's not a flat tax.

A tax system should include all income, including things like munis and
section 8 housing vouchers.

-ash
Cthulhu for President!
Why vote for a lesser evil?



No, it should include all SPENDING, not income. Taxing income leads to
imbedded taxes in prices and makes taxcation invisible. A Sales tax is
visible. A flat tax is still hidden.

Taxation is not invisible to people who write the checks, and if with holding
is abolished, everyone will be writing checks.


-ash
Cthulhu for President!
Why vote for a lesser evil?

Taxation is not invisible to people who write the checks, and if with
holding
is abolished, everyone will be writing checks.

If our taxes had to be paid by check, there would be an immediate and
violent uprising in this country.

Which is why this doesn't stand a chance of becoming law.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Ash Wyllie" wrote in message
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Taxation is not invisible to people who write the checks, and if with
holding
is abolished, everyone will be writing checks.

Oh, I think they'd be doing more than writing checks. :~)