Spin

The airplane was a Cessna C-210 being used as a skydiving airplane. If you
listen to the audio, you can hear the engine running at a high power setting.
You are more than likely not going to recover from a spin with a high power
setting.


-John
*You are nothing until you have flown a Douglas, Lockheed, Grumman or North
American*

Regardless of the power setting, you are not going to recover from a spin
with 5 jumpers spin plastered against the back bulkhead, putting the CG well
aft of 30% of the wing chord...
denny

"Ditch" wrote in message
...
The airplane was a Cessna C-210 being used as a skydiving airplane. If you
listen to the audio, you can hear the engine running at a high power
setting.
You are more than likely not going to recover from a spin with a high
power
setting.


-John
*You are nothing until you have flown a Douglas, Lockheed, Grumman or
North
American*

Regardless of the power setting, you are not going to recover from a spin
with 5 jumpers spin plastered against the back bulkhead, putting the CG well
aft of 30% of the wing chord...
denny

Never having jumped out of a perfectly good airplane, nor having had people
bail out of my M20J, I'm ignorant re carrying jumpers. Do they belt themselves
in place during take off and climb?

Is it likely they were all well aft, or fell back as the pilot slowed down for
their jump, or did he lose it on climbout?

In article ,
emoove (tony) wrote:


Never having jumped out of a perfectly good airplane, nor having had people
bail out of my M20J, I'm ignorant re carrying jumpers. Do they belt themselves
in place during take off and climb?

They are required to be belted for takeoff and landing...and in my
airplane if you're not belted in for takeoff I'll throw you out on the
runway. G

Is it likely they were all well aft, or fell back as the pilot slowed down for
their jump, or did he lose it on climbout?

The crash the original poster described was a Cessna 205 (the small
tail, underpowered 206). The jumper that "bailed out" was a student and
was standing on the gear leg when the airplane entered the spin..she
simply let go.

--
Dale L. Falk

There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing around with airplanes.

http://home.gci.net/~sncdfalk/flying.html

The crash the original poster described was a Cessna 205 (the small
tail, underpowered 206).

Yup...dunno why I was thinking it was a C-210.
Here is the accident report.

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...08X07972&key=1


-John
*You are nothing until you have flown a Douglas, Lockheed, Grumman or North
American*

I don't know why you think it is C-210 or 206. I am the one who saw the
segment. Believe me, I can identify the aircraft from my TV. I am pretty
sure that it is a Piper. It can't be C-210 or 206 because it is a low wing
plane.

Toks Desalu

The Cessna "205" was the predecessor of the Cessna "210". The model number
of the "205" is 210-5. If you look at it it already has the bulb on the
lower cowling for the nose gear to retract into. They removed the rear two
seats for the main gear to retract into. That is why early C-210 was a four
seat airplane.

Allen

"Ditch" wrote in message
...
The crash the original poster described was a Cessna 205 (the small
tail, underpowered 206).

Yup...dunno why I was thinking it was a C-210.
Here is the accident report.

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...08X07972&key=1


-John
*You are nothing until you have flown a Douglas, Lockheed, Grumman or
North
American*

Ditch wrote:

Here is the accident report.

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...08X07972&key=1


Holy crap. "Preparing to jump from about 3500 feet?" Although I'm not
an avid sky diver, I didn't think anyone jumped from an airplane at much
less than 9000' AGL.

I did the heave-ho out of a Twin Otter at 13,000. This altitude sounds
more like BASE jumping.

Need some time to enjoy that 120 mph wind-in-the-face.

"Preparing to jump from about 3500 feet?" Although I'm not
an avid sky diver, I didn't think anyone jumped from an airplane at much
less than 9000' AGL.


I've jumped. It's not uncommon to jump from less than 9000 feet. In fact 3500
feet doesn't sound unreasonable to me.

Jose

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Normal "pull" altitude for sport jumping is between 2000' and 2500' (for
experienced skydivers). An exit at 3500' will give you approx 12-14 seconds
of freefall before pulling at 2000. However if you are going through 3500'
at terminal velocity, you only have about 7-8 sec. before 2000'. I've gotten
out somewhat lower than 2000' several times but deployed as soon as I
cleared the a/c. You shouldn't deploy your main canopy much lower than 1800'
or so to give yourself time to use emergency procedures if necessary. Also
I've never been in a jump a/c that didn't have restraints for all jumpers on
board. Base jumpers don't have a reserve system...There's usually no time to
use them anyway.
Military jumping is another animal altogether.

"Scott Lowrey" wrote in message
news:HNCmc.43949$kh4.2310079@attbi_s52...
Ditch wrote:

Here is the accident report.

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...08X07972&key=1


Holy crap. "Preparing to jump from about 3500 feet?" Although I'm not
an avid sky diver, I didn't think anyone jumped from an airplane at much
less than 9000' AGL.

I did the heave-ho out of a Twin Otter at 13,000. This altitude sounds
more like BASE jumping.

Need some time to enjoy that 120 mph wind-in-the-face.