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Old May 22nd 04, 10:17 AM
Dylan Smith
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In article , Peter Duniho wrote:
No. Prop and flaps are sufficient for a seaplane. Otherwise, you need all
three.

A Cherokee 6 is NOT a complex airplane.


Nor is a jet aircraft. It doesn't have a controllable pitch propellor
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Old May 22nd 04, 06:04 PM
Peter Duniho
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"Dylan Smith" wrote in message
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A Cherokee 6 is NOT a complex airplane.


Nor is a jet aircraft. It doesn't have a controllable pitch propellor
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That's absolutely true as far as that specific definition in Part 61 goes.
However, it is a turbine-powered aircraft, which requires a type rating
instead.


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Old May 23rd 04, 12:22 AM
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Peter Duniho wrote:

That's absolutely true as far as that specific definition in Part 61 goes.
However, it is a turbine-powered aircraft, which requires a type rating
instead.


I was talking with a fellow today who told me about a 60hp turbine adapted from an
APU which is being used in a few homebuilt aircraft. I assume this one would require
a type rating?

George Patterson
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Old May 23rd 04, 12:43 AM
Peter Duniho
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"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
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That's absolutely true as far as that specific definition in Part 61

goes.
However, it is a turbine-powered aircraft, which requires a type rating
instead.


I was talking with a fellow today who told me about a 60hp turbine adapted

from an
APU which is being used in a few homebuilt aircraft. I assume this one

would require
a type rating?


Depends on how it's used. The regs actually only require the type rating
for "turbojet" aircraft. If the thrust comes from a prop attached to the
turbine, and the aircraft is less than 12,500 pounds, and the FAA has not
specifically called out the aircraft as requiring a type rating, then no
type rating would be required.

My "turbine-powered" comment was vague out of context...the message to which
I replied specifically mentioned a jet, and I unintentionally implied that
ANY turbine-powered aircraft would require a type rating, which isn't the
case.

It does raise the question of whether every pilot who's ever flown the
jet-powered BD-5 had a type rating, or whether the experimental certificate
for the plane is even the same as a type certificate (hard to get a type
rating for an airplane without a type certificate, I would think ). I
assume there's some sort of regulatory process that covers this, but I'm not
an expert in the experimental side of things and don't know the specifics.

Pete


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Old May 23rd 04, 01:34 AM
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In a previous article, "G.R. Patterson III" said:
I was talking with a fellow today who told me about a 60hp turbine
adapted from an APU which is being used in a few homebuilt aircraft. I
assume this one would require a type rating?


Ever seen the turbine powered Cri-Cri?
http://www.amtjets.com/gallery_real_plain.html



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Old May 23rd 04, 01:48 AM
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Paul Tomblin wrote:

Ever seen the turbine powered Cri-Cri?
http://www.amtjets.com/gallery_real_plain.html


Correct me if I am wrong but the turbines used on the Cri-Cri
are made for the Radio Controlled model market.
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Old May 23rd 04, 02:17 AM
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In a previous article, Shiver Me Timbers said:
Paul Tomblin wrote:
Ever seen the turbine powered Cri-Cri?
http://www.amtjets.com/gallery_real_plain.html


Correct me if I am wrong but the turbines used on the Cri-Cri
are made for the Radio Controlled model market.


Yup. If you look at the other links in the gallery on the amtjets.com
site, it's all models.

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Old May 23rd 04, 03:00 AM
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There's also a video clip of the Cri-Cri flying between a couple of
parked cars while a guy on a motorcycle does a ramp jump over
them at the same time.
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Old May 23rd 04, 02:11 AM
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On Sun, 23 May 2004 00:34:26 +0000 (UTC),
(Paul Tomblin) wrote:

In a previous article, "G.R. Patterson III" said:
I was talking with a fellow today who told me about a 60hp turbine
adapted from an APU which is being used in a few homebuilt aircraft. I
assume this one would require a type rating?


Ever seen the turbine powered Cri-Cri?
http://www.amtjets.com/gallery_real_plain.html



H O L Y S ......

I think that's probably the coolest thing I've seen since I fell in
love with some of the classics!!

Thanks for the link!

z
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Old May 27th 04, 02:30 AM
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On Sun, 23 May 2004 01:11:33 GMT, zatatime
wrote:

On Sun, 23 May 2004 00:34:26 +0000 (UTC),
(Paul Tomblin) wrote:

In a previous article, "G.R. Patterson III" said:
I was talking with a fellow today who told me about a 60hp turbine
adapted from an APU which is being used in a few homebuilt aircraft. I
assume this one would require a type rating?


Ever seen the turbine powered Cri-Cri?
http://www.amtjets.com/gallery_real_plain.html



H O L Y S ......

I think that's probably the coolest thing I've seen since I fell in
love with some of the classics!!

If you think that's something, look up the price of those model
airplane jet enginsLOL

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com
Thanks for the link!

z


 




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