Garmin(R) G1000(TM) All-Glass Flightdeck Certified in the Cessna Skylane

This is a gross exaggeration.

I've flown behind the 430. It's not a gross exaggeration at all. Flight plan
0 disappeared. I had to respond to lawyer's prompts before the system started
up again, and I had to wait for satellite acquisition (took about fifteen
seconds, IIRC).

The VOR came back as if nothing happened.

Perhaps the glass panel's VORs and radios would come back right away too. I'm
mainly responding to the (all too pervasive) sentiment that the OP "won't shed
a tear" for the loss of steam gauges... and by implication, all the other
dinosaur stuff that this newfangled contraption replaces.

Me, I'm suspicious. Not all that is new is better. (if you don't believe me,
try running a PC g). Even now (especially on the East Coast) sometimes the
best use of a GPS under IFR is just direct to the first waypoint, because it
will change anyway.


The flight panel does have steam gauge equivalents, but these come up as
fast as real steam gauges. Plus, all the flight control instruments have
backups.


Glad to hear it.

Jose



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Teacherjh wrote:

This is a gross exaggeration.

I've flown behind the 430. It's not a gross exaggeration at all. Flight
plan
0 disappeared.

I fly behind 430s now. Flight plan 0 does not disappear. Perhaps you're
running an older version of the software?

I had to respond to lawyer's prompts before the system
started up again,

Well, this is true.

and I had to wait for satellite acquisition (took about
fifteen seconds, IIRC).

More or less. So? That would happen if the panel was glass or not.


The VOR came back as if nothing happened.

I've never noticed at what point in the GPS startup the VOR receiver in the
430 starts working. I'll have to check that next time. I'd expect
"instantly", but I don't know this.

[...]

Even now (especially on the East Coast) sometimes
the best use of a GPS under IFR is just direct to the first waypoint,
because it will change anyway.

Why cannot ATC "send" flight plans as part of a mode S upload? *That* would
be incredibly useful (at least for those of us around here).

- Andrew

I've never noticed at what point in the GPS startup the VOR receiver in the
430 starts working.


I'm talking about a standalone steam gauge VOR. And while true, glass or no
glass, GPS needs to acquire satellites, my point is more along the line of
"it's not true that new is always better in every way" - glass or GPS or
Windows.

Jose



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******"it's not true that new is always better in every way"**** But in
Avionics it is true, VERY true.

There is NO comparison. The glass cockpit is vastly superior to the old
electro/mechanical gauges in EVERY respect, especially in reliability.

I spent decades flying corporate King Airs, all with the miserable old
stuff. The old stuff is pure junk and always VERY expensive to maintain.
This last decade I've been flying the Falcon 50EX and Lear 31A, both with
glass. Hands down winner. A good comparison would be the old Magnavox consol
TV, which needs a resident technician, and a modern TV, which never wears
out till you throw it away.

Karl
BE-30
CE-500
Lr-Jet
FA-50

"Teacherjh" wrote in message
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I've never noticed at what point in the GPS startup the VOR receiver in
the
430 starts working.


I'm talking about a standalone steam gauge VOR. And while true, glass or
no
glass, GPS needs to acquire satellites, my point is more along the line of
"it's not true that new is always better in every way" - glass or GPS or
Windows.

Jose



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Teacherjh wrote:


I've never noticed at what point in the GPS startup the VOR receiver in
the 430 starts working.


I'm talking about a standalone steam gauge VOR.

I understand. But the issue you've raised is comparing a glass panel to a
"steam gauge" panel. One variable in this comparison is how rapidly the
VORs will come back online. That's the issue to which I don't know the
answer...but I can check easily enough.

This isn't just for you. You've made me curious, since half my VOR receiver
capacity is in a 430.

And while true, glass or
no glass, GPS needs to acquire satellites, my point is more along the line
of "it's not true that new is always better in every way" - glass or GPS
or Windows.

I don't want to fall into a Windows debate here, but suffice it to say that
Windows fails your "new" test. It's only recently entered the 1980s in
terms of operating system (as opposed to all the other nonsense shoved on
top) technology.

Still, I agree in general that new does not imply better. On the other
hand, I do believe that Glass Panels are an improvement over Steam Gauges.
I've yet to try them myself sob! but every serious review speaks both of
the learning curve and the lack of interest in going back.

- Andrew