"Proceed on Course" = "Right turn approved"?

"Newps" wrote in message
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Gary Drescher wrote:

The FARs' default requirement for left turns in the pattern applies to
landings, not departures.

And doesn't apply at all to towered airports.

I think it does, because 91.129 (Class D ops) incorporates the requirements
of 91.126 and 91.127 (Class G and E ops), except when ATC authorizes a
deviation. I think that's why Bob was wondering if he needed explicit
permission for the turn.

--Gary

Gary Drescher wrote:
"Newps" wrote in message
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Gary Drescher wrote:

The FARs' default requirement for left turns in the pattern applies to
landings, not departures.

And doesn't apply at all to towered airports.


I think it does, because 91.129 (Class D ops) incorporates the requirements
of 91.126 and 91.127 (Class G and E ops), except when ATC authorizes a
deviation. I think that's why Bob was wondering if he needed explicit
permission for the turn.


No, the left turn preference does not apply to towered airports.

"Newps" wrote in message
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No, the left turn preference does not apply to towered airports.

How does that jibe with 91.129a?

Gary Drescher wrote:
"Newps" wrote in message
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No, the left turn preference does not apply to towered airports.


How does that jibe with 91.129a?

How does it not jibe?

"Newps" wrote in message
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Gary Drescher wrote:
"Newps" wrote in message
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No, the left turn preference does not apply to towered airports.

How does that jibe with 91.129a?

How does it not jibe?

As I mentioned, 91.129a says that pilots at Class D airports have to comply
with the untowered-airport requirements set forth in 91.126 and 91.127
(except when otherwise authorized by ATC).

--Gary

"Newps" wrote in message
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How does it not jibe?


Because it says something completely different from what you're saying.

"Newps" wrote in message
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No, the left turn preference does not apply to towered airports.


He just explained why it does.


§ 91.129 Operations in Class D airspace.

(a) General. Unless otherwise authorized or required by the ATC facility
having jurisdiction over the Class D airspace area, each person operating an
aircraft in Class D airspace must comply with the applicable provisions of
this section. In addition, each person must comply with §§91.126 and 91.127.
For the purpose of this section, the primary airport is the airport for
which the Class D airspace area is designated. A satellite airport is any
other airport within the Class D airspace area.


§ 91.126 Operating on or in the vicinity of an airport in Class G
airspace.

(b) Direction of turns. When approaching to land at an airport without an
operating control tower in Class G airspace-

(1) Each pilot of an airplane must make all turns of that airplane to
the
left unless the airport displays approved light signals or visual markings
indicating that turns should be made to the right, in which case the pilot
must make all turns to the right; and

(2) Each pilot of a helicopter must avoid the flow of fixed-wing
aircraft.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote

"Newps" wrote
No, the left turn preference does not apply to towered airports.


He just explained why it does.

§ 91.129 Operations in Class D airspace.

(a) General. Unless otherwise authorized or required by the ATC
facility having jurisdiction over the Class D airspace area,
each person operating an aircraft in Class D airspace must comply
with the applicable provisions of this section. In addition, each
person must comply with §§91.126 and 91.127......

§ 91.126 Operating on or in the vicinity of an airport in Class G
airspace.

(b) Direction of turns. When approaching to land at an airport
without an operating control tower in Class G airspace-

(1) Each pilot of an airplane must make all turns of that airplane
to the left .....

91.126 only requires left turns at airports without an operating control
tower. How does making right turns at an airport with a control tower
conflict with the 91.129 requirement to be in compliance with 91.126?

Bob Moore

"Bob Moore" wrote in message
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91.126 only requires left turns at airports without an operating control
tower. How does making right turns at an airport with a control tower
conflict with the 91.129 requirement to be in compliance with 91.126?


Because 91.129(a) requires compliance with 91.126.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote

Because 91.129(a) requires compliance with 91.126.

But...what does 91.126 say???? Read it!
It states "at untowered" airports.....

Bob