Opinions on a M20J

On 6 Sep 2004 10:28:08 -0700, (Bob Miller) wrote:

Those numbers didn't sound right so I checked my 1965 M20C (short
rudder) manual which lists a demonstrated crosswind of 15 kt (17 mph).
I bet the M20J is higher than that. I have landed in up to 20 kt
with not much rudder left. 25-30 kt, well, that's a lot. Could it be
done, I bet. I'll be happy to try it in your airplane; I just don't
like the thought of having to file an insurance claim for a prop
strike and the associated downtime.

Bob,

Let me emphasize, in case you aren't aware, that the "demonstrated"
crosswind component in our a/c is NOT a limitation. It usually reflects
ONLY the test flight done on the first day when the crosswind exceeded that
required by the regulations (which is some percentage of the stall speed -
I don't recall the exact number).

I know a 'C' can handle a 25 kt direct crosswind.


Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

Bob,

Let me emphasize, in case you aren't aware, that the "demonstrated"
crosswind component in our a/c is NOT a limitation. It usually reflects
ONLY the test flight done on the first day when the crosswind exceeded that
required by the regulations (which is some percentage of the stall speed -
I don't recall the exact number).

I know a 'C' can handle a 25 kt direct crosswind.


Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)

I'm aware of that.
The previous poster seemed to imply that Mooney deliberately set the
limitation low. Can any other J owners corroborate the 11 kt
demonstrated x/w for a J??
My M20C demonstrated x/w: 15 kt
My club PA32R300 demonstrated x/w: 17 kt
The M20 definitely has less rudder.
In 600 hrs I have not had the opportunity to land my C with more than
20kt of crosswind. 30 kts approaches my threshold speed of 65 kt,
which to line-up would mean crabbing to nearly 30 deg.
I'm saying that 30 kt would give me pause.
Bob Miller

"Bob Miller" wrote in message
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The previous poster seemed to imply that Mooney deliberately set the
limitation low. Can any other J owners corroborate the 11 kt
demonstrated x/w for a J??

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...13X26176&key=1

Julian

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...13X26176&key=1

Thank you.

"Julian Scarfe" wrote in message ...
"Bob Miller" wrote in message
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The previous poster seemed to imply that Mooney deliberately set the
limitation low. Can any other J owners corroborate the 11 kt
demonstrated x/w for a J??

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...13X26176&key=1

That's a pretty common mistake in cross winds. Once you touch down in
a strong cross wind, the ailerons should be turned all the way to the
stops against the wind. When I teach cross wind landings I teach that
you never want to expose your belly to the wind (metaphor only). You
need to keep that upwind wing down.

-Robert

On 6 Sep 2004 19:55:58 -0700, (Bob Miller) wrote:

The previous poster seemed to imply that Mooney deliberately set the
limitation low.

I'm not aware that Julian posted anything about Mooney setting a
*limitation* on crosswind performance, deliberately or otherwise.

He did post that they chose to *demonstrate* crosswind performance at a
certain speed. But Part 23 only requires that this demonstration be done
at 0.2 Vso or greater. Vso in the 'J' is 54 KIAS. So anything over 10.8
Kts 90° crosswind component meets the requirements of Part 23.

As I said, the usual reason for that is because that's what was available
when the schedule called for performing this part of the flight test.


Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)