BOHICA! Weiner's Bill to Restrict GA

"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
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in article , C J Campbell at
wrote on 9/11/04 11:57 PM:


"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
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Am I the only one who finds it curious that people were challenging the
authenticity of these documents almost from the very moment they were
released?


Of course, this is not the first time that Kerry and associates have
been
forging documents, is it? There was that little scam on Western Union
during
the war, where friends and relatives of servicemen in Vietnam would get
telegrams beginning, "We regret to inform you that...." Nasty little
trick,
that, but Kerry would probably just as soon that no one was reminded of
it.

Never heard of that one. Do you have a source for this?


It was so bad that the Army took out newspaper ads debunking the fake
telegrams and saying that from now on relatives of Vietnam casualties would
be notified personally.

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
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in article , C J Campbell at
wrote on 9/11/04 11:57 PM:


"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
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Am I the only one who finds it curious that people were challenging
the
authenticity of these documents almost from the very moment they were
released?


Of course, this is not the first time that Kerry and associates have
been
forging documents, is it? There was that little scam on Western Union
during
the war, where friends and relatives of servicemen in Vietnam would get
telegrams beginning, "We regret to inform you that...." Nasty little
trick,
that, but Kerry would probably just as soon that no one was reminded of
it.

Never heard of that one. Do you have a source for this?

It was so bad that the Army took out newspaper ads debunking the fake
telegrams and saying that from now on relatives of Vietnam casualties
would
be notified personally.

Do you have a credible source for your allegation? Or do your moral and
intellectual standards permit you to propagate such accusations without
fact-checking first?

--Gary

in article , C J Campbell at
wrote on 9/12/04 3:52 PM:


"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
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Never heard of that one. Do you have a source for this?


It was so bad that the Army took out newspaper ads debunking the fake
telegrams and saying that from now on relatives of Vietnam casualties would
be notified personally.

Never heard of that one. Do you have a source for this?

"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
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in article , C J Campbell at
wrote on 9/12/04 3:52 PM:


"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
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Never heard of that one. Do you have a source for this?


It was so bad that the Army took out newspaper ads debunking the fake
telegrams and saying that from now on relatives of Vietnam casualties
would
be notified personally.

Never heard of that one. Do you have a source for this?


I have no source other than reading it in New England newspapers back in
1969 - 1971. The AP has been reporting similar activities in connection with
the Iraq war, although not all of those are anti-war protesters. Some of
them were simply mean people attempting to con people out of death benefits.
In those cases the con men would show up in military uniform and attempt to
get spouses and others to sign papers releasing their rights to death
benefits, which has to be the absolute lowest of the low. There were
flurries of that in April and August of 2003, as well as anti-war activists
in Southern California calling the families of Marines at Camp Pendleton,
saying that they were from the Red Cross and that their Marine had been
killed.

The Internet has provided a new twist: some Arab Americans are reporting
that people are sending out hate mail using their email addresses in an
attempt to inflame anti-Arab sentiment.

So the same stuff that went on during Vietnam perpetuates itself. I don't
know why you seem so surprised at this -- it isn't exactly an original idea.
But, if you want to believe that it never happens, suit yourself.

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
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in article , C J Campbell at
wrote on 9/12/04 3:52 PM:

"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
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Never heard of that one. Do you have a source for this?


It was so bad that the Army took out newspaper ads debunking the fake
telegrams and saying that from now on relatives of Vietnam casualties
would
be notified personally.

Never heard of that one. Do you have a source for this?


I have no source other than reading it in New England newspapers back in
1969 - 1971.

Uh, and which of Kerry's "associates" were implicated in this alleged
forgery, according to your uncorroborated 35-year-old recollection?

Newspapers are archived in libraries, by the way. If "Kerry and associates"
had done what you accuse them of, isn't it odd that no one in the world has
bothered to take a moment to look up and publicize the documentation for
such a spectacularly incendiary charge?

--Gary

"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
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I have no source other than reading it in New England newspapers back in
1969 - 1971.

Uh, and which of Kerry's "associates" were implicated in this alleged
forgery, according to your uncorroborated 35-year-old recollection?

Newspapers are archived in libraries, by the way. If "Kerry and
associates"
had done what you accuse them of, isn't it odd that no one in the world
has
bothered to take a moment to look up and publicize the documentation for
such a spectacularly incendiary charge?

Not particularly odd. Even when it happens nowadays, it barely makes the
papers. Besides, what is so spectacularly incendiary about it?

"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
news:Qof1d.427276$%_6.90413@attbi_s01...

I have no source other than reading it in New England newspapers back in
1969 - 1971.

Uh, and which of Kerry's "associates" were implicated in this alleged
forgery, according to your uncorroborated 35-year-old recollection?


VVAW was doing some of that, yes. However, I have no stamps with Kerry's DNA
on them. I might point out that the complaints former POWs have about Kerry
are also 35 year old recollections. I guess if you want, you can say that
anything that happened that long ago did not happen. That would be your
typical liberal response: if you don't like the truth, accuse others of
lying.

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
news:Qof1d.427276$%_6.90413@attbi_s01...

I have no source other than reading it in New England newspapers back
in
1969 - 1971.

Uh, and which of Kerry's "associates" were implicated in this alleged
forgery, according to your uncorroborated 35-year-old recollection?

VVAW was doing some of that, yes. However, I have no stamps with Kerry's
DNA
on them. I might point out that the complaints former POWs have about
Kerry
are also 35 year old recollections. I guess if you want, you can say that
anything that happened that long ago did not happen. That would be your
typical liberal response: if you don't like the truth, accuse others of
lying.

I haven't accused you of lying, CJ. I just think you live in a parallel
universe where 35-year-old newspaper articles implicating "Kerry and
associates" in a forgery have somehow vanished from all the archives,
leaving your personal recollection of those articles as the sole remaining
testament. (Meanwhile, in your universe as revealed in another recent
thread, Bush had not been informed of the second WTC crash or explicitly
told "We are under attack" just before he spent seven minutes reading "My
Pet Goat". Apparently your world is so glutted with fanciful events that
there's no room left for the real ones.)

"Lying" presupposes the ability to distinguish truth from falsehood. Your
blithe dismissal of the need for corroboration (which would be readily
available in this instance if your recollection were accurate) shows that
you don't even try to distinguish the truth from whatever you would like
to believe.

--Gary

"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
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"Lying" presupposes the ability to distinguish truth from falsehood. Your
blithe dismissal of the need for corroboration (which would be readily
available in this instance if your recollection were accurate) shows that
you don't even try to distinguish the truth from whatever you would like
to believe.

Ah, so I am not a liar, merely delusional. So, if a guy says he was fighting
in Cambodia in 1968 and listening to a Christmas broadcast by President
Nixon, is he a liar or delusional? And do you want his finger on the nuclear
trigger?

in article , C J Campbell at
wrote on 9/12/04 7:57 PM:


"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
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in article , C J Campbell at
wrote on 9/12/04 3:52 PM:


"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
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Never heard of that one. Do you have a source for this?


It was so bad that the Army took out newspaper ads debunking the fake
telegrams and saying that from now on relatives of Vietnam casualties
would
be notified personally.

Never heard of that one. Do you have a source for this?


I have no source other than reading it in New England newspapers back in
1969 - 1971. The AP has been reporting similar activities in connection with
the Iraq war, although not all of those are anti-war protesters. Some of
them were simply mean people attempting to con people out of death benefits.
In those cases the con men would show up in military uniform and attempt to
get spouses and others to sign papers releasing their rights to death
benefits, which has to be the absolute lowest of the low. There were
flurries of that in April and August of 2003, as well as anti-war activists
in Southern California calling the families of Marines at Camp Pendleton,
saying that they were from the Red Cross and that their Marine had been
killed.

The Internet has provided a new twist: some Arab Americans are reporting
that people are sending out hate mail using their email addresses in an
attempt to inflame anti-Arab sentiment.

So the same stuff that went on during Vietnam perpetuates itself. I don't
know why you seem so surprised at this -- it isn't exactly an original idea.
But, if you want to believe that it never happens, suit yourself.

Huh? What are you talking about? I simply asked if you had a source for your
story about Kerry faking telegrams. You could've just said "no" and saved
yourself the trouble of this rambling response.