In his own words - BWB and the OMABP

On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 12:52:12 -0400, Matt Whiting
wrote:

The engine has never left me stranded so I think I'd be OK flying behind
one.


Matt
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

THINK you'd be OK?????

Lordy, lordy, lordy.
Never a shortage of nominees for a Darwin Award.

Wannabies, the clueless... and worse, abound.
Is BWB correct or what?


Barnyard BOb - over 50 years of successful flight

Barnyard BOb - wrote:

On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 12:52:12 -0400, Matt Whiting
wrote:


The engine has never left me stranded so I think I'd be OK flying behind
one.


Matt

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

THINK you'd be OK?????

Think, as in I'd want to do a little more research on the reliability of
the Chevy V-6 as set up for flight by Belted Air Power. Initial
results look promising, but I like a little more than what I've seen so
far. However, my personal experience with the 4.3 is pretty good. It's
only significant failure still left it operational, albeit down probably
40 HP. Had this same thing happened in an airplane, the plane would
have still flown to a nearby airport.


Lordy, lordy, lordy.
Never a shortage of nominees for a Darwin Award.

Wannabies, the clueless... and worse, abound.
Is BWB correct or what?

You old-timers get pretty cranky when your Depends need changing.


Matt

On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 19:14:21 -0400, Matt Whiting
wrote:

Barnyard BOb - wrote:

On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 12:52:12 -0400, Matt Whiting
wrote:


The engine has never left me stranded so I think I'd be OK flying behind
one.


Matt

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

THINK you'd be OK?????

Think, as in I'd want to do a little more research on the reliability of
the Chevy V-6 as set up for flight by Belted Air Power. Initial
results look promising, but I like a little more than what I've seen so
far. However, my personal experience with the 4.3 is pretty good. It's
only significant failure still left it operational, albeit down probably
40 HP. Had this same thing happened in an airplane, the plane would
have still flown to a nearby airport.


Lordy, lordy, lordy.
Never a shortage of nominees for a Darwin Award.

Wannabies, the clueless... and worse, abound.
Is BWB correct or what?

You old-timers get pretty cranky when your Depends need changing.


Matt


As I said above. Call Jess, come to Vegas and fly it. Get a list of
all the people who are flying them and do some research. Figure out
what their problems are.
BWB

Badwater Bill wrote:

On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 19:14:21 -0400, Matt Whiting
wrote:


Barnyard BOb - wrote:


On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 12:52:12 -0400, Matt Whiting
wrote:



The engine has never left me stranded so I think I'd be OK flying behind
one.


Matt

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

THINK you'd be OK?????

Think, as in I'd want to do a little more research on the reliability of
the Chevy V-6 as set up for flight by Belted Air Power. Initial
results look promising, but I like a little more than what I've seen so
far. However, my personal experience with the 4.3 is pretty good. It's
only significant failure still left it operational, albeit down probably
40 HP. Had this same thing happened in an airplane, the plane would
have still flown to a nearby airport.



Lordy, lordy, lordy.
Never a shortage of nominees for a Darwin Award.

Wannabies, the clueless... and worse, abound.
Is BWB correct or what?

You old-timers get pretty cranky when your Depends need changing.


Matt



As I said above. Call Jess, come to Vegas and fly it. Get a list of
all the people who are flying them and do some research. Figure out
what their problems are.
BWB


That is exactly what I will do when I get ready to build.

Matt

No disrespect for you or Big B, Bob. I have read many of your posts
and have much respect for you, but this is .homebuilt. Most readers
and posters here ARE WANNABIES and proud of that fact. We do WANNABE
better pilots and builders. We do WANNABE more experienced. Both you
and Big B were once where most of us are here now.

CLUELESS? Everyone on this earth is CLUELESS. No one here knows that
one day they might offend the wrong person and have that person
actually do track them down and bite their heads off, (only without
prior showing any signs or warnings).

Not everybody on this earth will beat on their chest and threaten
people ahead of time when they are offended. They just might one day
see that person at some event and beat the sh*t out of them without
warning or explanation. Better yet, they might just track that person
down and do the same just because they know that that person deserves
it.

Calling people names is just not wise. You never know how a person
will react, especially people you have only met on the net.
Personally calling people names really turns me off. I loose all
respect and admiration for the smartest and most experienced people
just because they are arrogant and ignorant. The smartest people, and
those that think they are smart are clueless themselves. If they were
smart, they wouldn't resort to calling names or resort to threat. If
they were smart they'd just go ahead and do what they said they'd do
and not give any warning.

I'm just surprised by the things that come out of the mouths of people
who are as old or supposedly as smart as Big B. Aren't you supposed
to know better when you're that old?

Bryan "The Monk" Chaisone

Barnyard BOb - wrote in message

Wannabies, the clueless... and worse, abound.
Is BWB correct or what?


Barnyard BOb - over 50 years of successful flight

On 6 Jul 2004 00:09:18 -0700, (bryan chaisone)
wrote:

No disrespect for you or Big B, Bob. I have read many of your posts
and have much respect for you, but this is .homebuilt. Most readers
and posters here ARE WANNABIES and proud of that fact. We do WANNABE
better pilots and builders. We do WANNABE more experienced. Both you
and Big B were once where most of us are here now.

CLUELESS? Everyone on this earth is CLUELESS. No one here knows that
one day they might offend the wrong person and have that person
actually do track them down and bite their heads off, (only without
prior showing any signs or warnings).
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Let me clarify.

There are STUDENTS....
and then there are the wannabies, the clueless, etcetera.

STUDENTS_ learn_ and_ progress.
The rest of the crop are mostly stuck in transmit mode.

The posts tell the story....
At least to some of us that are paying attention.


Barnyard BOb -
The more people I meet,
the more I love my dog
and George Carlin humor.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Let me clarify.

There are STUDENTS....
and then there are the wannabies, the clueless, etcetera.

STUDENTS_ learn_ and_ progress.
The rest of the crop are mostly stuck in transmit mode.

The posts tell the story....
At least to some of us that are paying attention.


Barnyard BOb -
The more people I meet,
the more I love my dog
and George Carlin humor.


Although I hate to pat Bourbon on the back, he's right. There are
students who progress and do things. Bryan is one who does. But
Bryan is rare on this group.

Bryan is not a sideliner. He's not someone who watches this game from
the pits. He's an actor. He's a player. He's in the football field,
not cheering on the lines. That gives him a big difference in his
perspective. He's done a lot in his short lifetime. I'm proud of
him and his accomplishments. And, he is something I will never be,
that I admire, he's humble.

But Bryan I have to tell you something. As you get older, you do know
better, you just get tired of taking **** from idiots. You'll see my
young man. You'll see.

Look at this idiot who accuses me of saying that Jess's PSRU's failed.
How simple minded could you be? The guy libeled himself. He opened
himself up to a law suit if he caused me damages. What if I made my
money test-flying homebuilts for developers of things like Jess
developed and this idiot said this in a public forum and cost me a few
future jobs? There would be real damages because of his loose lips
and misinterpretations. I'd have to sue him.

So, instead of suing him, I just belittle him for being stupid here in
the same public forum. If he had his brain screwed on right IMHO,
he'd apologize. But, he's too full of himself for that. The reality
of it is that he screwed up. He owed me an apology and if he cost me
money, he'd owe me that money that he cost me. That's what the law
suit system is all about...recovery.

However, since he didn't cost me anything, I won't sue him. Because I
won't sue him, he's got a "Get out of Jail Free" card and he can
continue to shoot off his ignorant mouth. The only recourse I have is
to play with him a bit and point out how really profoundly stupid he
is by doing what he did.

I think as you get older you learn to call people's bluff like this
more and when you do, you get your pound of flesh for them screwing
with you. It's a lot simpler than using the legal system, and it's a
lot less damaging. Yeah, the guy might kick my ass someday, so what?
I've had my ass kicked before. But, I might surprise him and it could
go the other way too. I doubt that anything like that would ever
happen, hell, the guy is a librarian. Does that sound like a street
fighter?

BWB

(bryan chaisone) wrote

Calling people names is just not wise. You never know how a person
will react, especially people you have only met on the net.
Personally calling people names really turns me off. I loose all
respect and admiration for the smartest and most experienced people
just because they are arrogant and ignorant. The smartest people, and
those that think they are smart are clueless themselves. If they were
smart, they wouldn't resort to calling names or resort to threat. If
they were smart they'd just go ahead and do what they said they'd do
and not give any warning.
snip
Bryan "The Monk" Chaisone


Bryan, Bryan, Bryan. In aviation, which I've been in all of my life,
you accord respect to those who have been practicing the prior art
successfully for more man-years than you have, because it is not wise
to do otherwise. Professional pilots have the benefit of living in a
real world classroom for ten to twenty years (sometimes less) before
they become PIC. Single pilot ops at 500 hrs are the most dangerous
kind in aviation but you guys seem to think after the government's
done mistraining you, that you can't be killed since you're a polite
person in society and the FAA's looking out for you. You see locker
room language and extensions of middle fingers on the screen, whereas,
I see emotion that's trying to tell me something important from a man
with more experience in that area than I have. Over 80% of human
communication is through facial expressions. The only way to covey
facial expression on this type of medium is through "smileys" or to
expand your vocabulary (including the use of profanity to convey
emotion.) We all would like to avoid mud-fights, but in this case I
think Corky was challenging BWB's honesty (solely because Bill was
featured in Kitplanes,) and Bill had a right to defend it. Now I
don't want to see this type of theater from you Bryan, because you
aren't an experienced builder/instructor yet. You probably still have
a lot to learn.

Guys like BWB and BYB are IMHO valuable resources to draw on for the
NG. I don't get along with them half the time myself, but I try to
overlook their faults (especially BOb's) and realize that
personalities like these, that don't care what others think of them,
are usually the most honest posters when it comes to content. They
post to amuse themselves and impart some reality to the group.
Whereas the average polite poster frequently: 1: has no idea what he's
talking about. 2: Worries so much about how he will be perceived that
even if he did know what he was talking about, would never dare to
voraciously correct something he's an expert on for fear of unfair
reprisal in the real world. Now you referenced someone kicking the
**** out of BWB in the real world. If someone can't win an argument
on the net and they take things to underhanded road-rage levels in the
real world, (stabbing holes in airplanes or hacking computers) they
shouldn't be surprised if it escalates into their back yard on some
dark night.

But we're just not going to use the same PC yardstick for old-school
guys like these who are hanging around here for free, trying to give
you a different perspective on flying and building. If it's too
salty, why don't you head on over to: rec.domestic.teaparty and I'm
sure they will moderate out any offensive historical truths about
trading tea for opium, so your polite tea-sipping won't be disturbed.
Sorry Bryan, but I'm not just going to sit here and watch you
lecture the instructor on his choice of language. If you don't like
it, don't take his class.

We like you Bryan buddy, but changing people is usually not possible.

pacplyer - out

But we're just not going to use the same PC yardstick for old-school
guys like these who are hanging around here for free, trying to give
you a different perspective on flying and building. If it's too
salty, why don't you head on over to: rec.domestic.teaparty and I'm
sure they will moderate out any offensive historical truths about
trading tea for opium, so your polite tea-sipping won't be disturbed.
Sorry Bryan, but I'm not just going to sit here and watch you
lecture the instructor on his choice of language. If you don't like
it, don't take his class.

We like you Bryan buddy, but changing people is usually not possible.

pacplyer - out



BBWWAWAAHHHAHHAHAAAAA

Pac, you crack me up. Only another brother with a lot of flying-time
can see through the bull ****. Isn't it interesting how clear all
this is to us, but how few will understand anything you had to say
above. And Bourbon? Hell, he sees all this too. He's been yanking a
stick since we were ****ting in our diapers. It's infinitely clear to
him too even though he's a cranky old **** and he ****es me off most
of the time too.

In Bryan's case, he'll understand your message. But, most won't. He's
done quit a bit that's transparent to the ng. He's one of us, he's
just a younger version, so he puts his head on a chopping block so we
can pick on him. Also, he's oriental, and as you know since you are
married to an oriental, they have manners far beyond anything that we
will ever have six lifetimes from now. I think most of what Bryan is
saying is related to his Asian culture of being mannerly. He came
from a culture where if you weren't mannerly they simply cut your head
off.

Have a nice day.

BWB

(Badwater Bill) wrote

BBWWAWAAHHHAHHAHAAAAA

Pac, you crack me up. Only another brother with a lot of flying-time
can see through the bull ****. Isn't it interesting how clear all
this is to us, but how few will understand anything you had to say
above. And Bourbon? Hell, he sees all this too. He's been yanking a
stick since we were ****ting in our diapers. It's infinitely clear to
him too even though he's a cranky old **** and he ****es me off most
of the time too.

In Bryan's case, he'll understand your message. But, most won't. He's
done quit a bit that's transparent to the ng. He's one of us, he's
just a younger version, so he puts his head on a chopping block so we
can pick on him. Also, he's oriental, and as you know since you are
married to an oriental, they have manners far beyond anything that we
will ever have six lifetimes from now. I think most of what Bryan is
saying is related to his Asian culture of being mannerly. He came
from a culture where if you weren't mannerly they simply cut your head
off.

Have a nice day.

BWB

Wow, I had a couple of scotches last night and it looks like I turned
into a wind tunnel. Just got this "Dish" system installed in my shop
and house and was rocking out to their Sirius digital music. A man
could build an airplane listening to that great range of music.

Yeah, I'm guessing Bryan's a good pilot. Maybe you could teach him
how to be an instructor in helos and he could teach you a little Zen
"chilling out" type stuff! BWAHAHAHAHAHA Naw, that wouldn't work.
You'd keep buzzing through the Buddhist temple at low altitudes in
your chopper like in that movie "Air America" and make all the monks
crack up and start blowing their vows of silence and meditation. ;-)

We have a couple of guys who have retired in Cambodia. They say that
for a hundred bucks you can go out to a secret spot and fire a
bona fide grenade launcher, burning down a few acres of jungle. They
say it is ****ing incredible. The deal is you can't talk about it,
since the gov there has promised that kind of thing won't go on any
more, in accordance with new anti-terrorism agreements.

Hahahahahaha. Hey big brother, I just made that part up. Man, I'm
such a good fiction writer.

pac