Co-pilot error caused AA 587 crash

Pooh Bear wrote in message ...
JL Grasso wrote:

On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 05:37:34 +0100, Pooh Bear
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Jose wrote:

An A320 full of passengers doing something it shouldn't have at an air show

What was an A320 doing full of passengers at an airshow?

Air France said it was OK.

There was no DGAC rule forbidding it at the time, Mr. 'fjuckwit'.

Which is why Air France said it was OK no doubt.

I'm less certain that Air France's 'company minima' for a 100ft flyby conformed to
regs though.


What regs, fjukwit?

Netkkoiping til the day you die, eh, asshole?

Bertie

Pooh Bear wrote:
Hardly a *Sports* Utility Vehicle though ?

SUVs are sons of the minivans. The car manufacturers realised that minivans
had a certain image that prevented market penetration in the younger crowds.
So they rebadged the minivan into "SUV", making it look sportier and marketing
it as something cool that lets you do cool things.

There is little need for "SUV", it is all artifically induced demand though marketing.

You may recall the initial SUVs marketing themselves as accessive off road
vehicles that didn't need a ladder to climb into. This effectively made those
vehicles unusable off road and relinquished them as urban status symbols.

The biggest irony I have seen is the owner of a Subaru Outback being told his
car couldn't make it through an australian outback road because it wasn't a
car capable of traveling outback roads due to it lacking clearance under the
car. Yet, in the USA, that car was marketed exactly as that, making it look
like buyers of that car would automatically become as cool as crocodile dundee
and able to ride across australia's true outback roads.

4wd isn't all that is needed to make a TRUE off road vehicle. You want oil
based air filters, snorkel for carbutaror intake, high clearance, special
gearing, ability to block differential on all wheels etc.

Most of the "SUV" urban vehicles lack those features.

Toyota and Landrover make the real "outback" vehicles. I think Jeep makes
rugged vehicles too but they aren't exported much.

Hummer is a very good example of urban vehicles. They are used by the military
in offroad situations, but prior to their being marketed as a status symbol
for urban environments, they had not made any inroads in the "offroad"
civilian applications.

nobody wrote:
Pooh Bear wrote:

Hardly a *Sports* Utility Vehicle though ?


SUVs are sons of the minivans.

Neat trick considering minivans were invented in the 1980's and SUV's as
we know them today are mid 70's vehicles. I'd say the SUV is more the
offspring of the station wagon. Same amount of room, better gas
mileage and a little higher off the ground.

Pooh Bear wrote:

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote:

The earliest one I know of is the Willys Overland wagon. Came out in 1946.

Hardly a *Sports* Utility Vehicle though ?

Define "sports"? We used to have lots of fun in one of them. And they're a lot
smaller than many of the "SUVs" I see on the parkway around here.

George Patterson
If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to have
been looking for it.

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"Bertie the Bunyip" XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX wrote in message
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Well Fjukwit?

Godot will arrive with your pizza order before that happens.

Ah, but I know Godot well. bought him a pinta just last week.

You paid? Look, some people already are questioning whether you're a real
airline pilot.

It's the only way he can "get any" these days! ;-)

LP

On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 01:19:26 -0700, running with scissors wrote:

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On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 15:01:17 -0700, running with scissors wrote:

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On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 19:03:21 -0700, running with scissors wrote:

Jose wrote in message .com...
An A320 full of passengers doing something it shouldn't have at an air show

What was an A320 doing full of passengers at an airshow?

Jose

al flyby.

Paris / Air France.

No such a thing in Paris.

yeah? look up paris airshow 1988. an airfrance 320 undertook a flyby
which didnt go according to plan.

prick

No such a thing in Paris. One large plane that crashed at an airshow *in
Paris* was a TU144.

so i am imagining it then? how about michael asseline did he imagine it too ?

I would think at least he knew where he was.

On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 01:24:52 -0700, running with scissors wrote:

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On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:52:43 -0700, running with scissors wrote:

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On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 19:03:21 -0700, running with scissors wrote:

Jose wrote in message .com...
An A320 full of passengers doing something it shouldn't have at an air show

What was an A320 doing full of passengers at an airshow?

Jose

al flyby.

Paris / Air France.

No such a thing in Paris.

****

No such a thing in Paris.

If you really insist in making a fool of yourself, be my guest.

uh huh?
so F-GFCK didnt conduct a low approach at Habsheim fail to recover and
impact a wooded area at 2pm. hmmm was my imagination caught on video
too.?

****ing retard.

Point was, insults or not, Habsheim is nowhere near Paris.

Your imagination apparently told you it was?

Seems like a good reason for insusts?

Anyway, you really think that sort of inaccuracy does any good to your
credibility?

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Well Fjukwit?

Godot will arrive with your pizza order before that happens.

Ah, but I know Godot well. bought him a pinta just last week.

You paid? Look, some people already are questioning whether you're a real
airline pilot.


Mm, I know. I'm reeling under the loss of the FE to buy all my booze... Bertie

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Yeh...

Painting "OVER" their logo, and the big red letters "Air
Canada" stretching along the length of the fuse...

Like with a roller & house paint! (!)

yep aircraft are ofen painted by roller.

Unfortunately, they also have the paint scraped with sharp-edged
implements
despite cautions not to use them. There was a story this week about
how
minute score lines are propagating into cracks, with potentially
disastrous results.

oh yes. there are AD's pertaining to.

Then the problem seems to be that the word doesn't get down to the
chippers
(where have we heard that before?), who either prefer the efficiency of
sharp-edged implements or aren't provided proper tools and supervision by
their cheapskate overlords.

One of the more effective ways to remove paint from an A/C is to apply a
non-corrosive water soluble stripper followed by use of crushed pecan shells
mixed with water used by devices resembling Sand blasters. This also removes
surface corrosion.

Have seen C-130's, C-141's, & C-5's taken to bare metal in 4, 8, & 24 hours
respectively using 2 crews on C-130's, 4 crews on C-141's, & 10 crews on
C-5's. A crew consisting of 4 people.
Ralph Nesbitt
Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
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"Scott M. Kozel" wrote:

That is true. I first saw Chevrolet Blazers on highway construction
projects in the mid-1970s, and that was one of the first SUV-like
vehicles, a light truck closed vehicle with 4-wheel drive.

The earliest one I know of is the Willys Overland wagon. Came out in 1946.

George Patterson
If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to
have
been looking for it.

Don't know when they were first built, but the US Military used Dodge Power
Wagons for a number of purposes, particularly ambulances, toward the end of
WWII. We had several 1943 models used as ambulances & general purpose
vehicles at AFP 3 that were used until the mid 70's. The USAF had a large
inventory of "Dodge Power Wagons" into the early 80's.
Ralph Nesbitt
Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type