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"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
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"Greg Butler" wrote in message
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[...] most Bush voters, however, look at the data first, then make up
their minds.

Which Bush voters? The 64% that still believe that Saddam Hussein was
involved in the 9/11 attacks?

What percentage of Kerry voters still believe that Bush has a secret plan
for the draft? Oh, wait. I guess Gallup did not want to ask questions that
would make Democrats uncomfortable.

Cecil Chapman wrote:

Kerry was far left? How, where?

You can't be serious. Guns, gay marriage, taxes, the UN. His positions
are far left. You may not agree but they are.

Guns
He's a hunter, I'm pretty sure they use guns for that (he's not a
bowhunter). Just because one doesn't support ownership of AK-47's and
public access to armor-piercing bullets doesn't make one an enemy to gun
ownership. In fact, his record as a senator reveals that he has
consistently supported appropriate gun ownership. I own two shotguns and a
couple of rifles - don't hunt, but skeet and target shoot. Even still, I
just don't think the average citizen needs armor-piercing bullets or AK-47's
(unless you live in remote parts of Alaska grin)/.

?, gay marriage

He stated he was against 'gay marriage' - but in favor of civil unions that
allowed long-time gay couples the right to visit their partner in the
hospital, claims to benefits, etc. This is something that I would think any
reasonable person would think a long-time couple would be entitled to
(regardless of the sexual orientation. You know the funny thing about this
kind of bigotry is that it reminds me of what we would hear in the 60's
"Can't let 'coloreds' have any rights and god-forbid they should be allowed
to marry white-folk". Jeesh,,, doesn't anyone EVER learn from the lessons
of the past.

When are we going to remember the line about 'separation of church and
state'. The gay population has become the new 'coloreds' - get over your
bigotry. Live and let live. A gay couple in a civil union or marriage,,,,
whatever,,,, is no threat to my marriage. In the end it is just about two
consenting adults that care about one another and recognizing that they have
pledged to spend the rest of their lives together - that sounds pretty cool
to me. Of course the ignorant 'religious right' will refer to the Bible,
citing that quote regarding the men of Sodom. I will ask these same people
if they have ever done anything wrong with their hand, or sinned by looking
at something and point out if they haven't cut off that hand or plucked out
that eye they have already violated more than a few of the directives in the
Bible. and GASP what if your women don't keep their heads covered (as
mentioned in both the Old testament AND in the NEW Testament in some of the
books of the New Testament written by Paul). Don't even get me started on
the absurd Adam and Eve story which (if you are ignorant enough to buy into
the account) makes it necessary for all their progeny to commit incest in
order to procreate - of course that would partly explain why some people
seem to have a 'birth defect' in their unreasoned thinking. grin

Regarding the 'gay marriage' issue,,, we need to develop policy based on
fairness and reason, not on some quaint historical book with a cross on it.
Jeesh,,, we might as well just worship rocks and pray to salamanders for all
the similar good it would do. Visit a children's hospital (I have and it
will break your heart),,, the children live and die the same whether they
pray to a 'god' or speak to hamsters... and personally, if there were a
divine being, I can't possibly think of a prayer more worthy of being
granted than the prayer of some dear 4 year old in a cancer ward, just
asking to see their next birthday, hardly ever seems to be 'granted' though.
Of course the 'beauty' of any superstition is that you can go on to make
excuses why it doesn't seem to work all the time, but it is still
superstition; borne from stories of magic, evil and good spirits.
Superstition is great to study, but makes a poor ruler to measure political
policy by and make legislative policy. Let's get out of the dark ages.

, taxes

Good point,,, you're right Kerry was clearly against tax breaks for the
wealthy, the group that Bush was caught referring to during a private dinner
that was videotaped and to whom he referred to as "My own people" ---- Got
that right, W. Thank goodness there was someone looking out for the common
man (and still is,,,, as a Senator) as John Kerry.

, the UN.

YIKES! Please tell me that you have most of your teeth and that you don't
play 'Dueling Banjos' along some remote bayou? The United Nations is
LEFTIST? Do you even know the history and original purpose of the United
Nations? Read a book! What was wrong with having a consensus (and some
help) before blundering into Vietnam... OOPS I mean Iraq? Were we under
attack,,,, NO,,,,, I seem to recall Afghanistan had posed that threat but we
never finished trying to get HIM.

You may not agree but they are.

Well, YOU would know.... After all we 'know' that God is on our
side......... ooops... that's the same thinking of Bin Laden uses

jeesh

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Cecil Chapman wrote:

Guns
He's a hunter, I'm pretty sure they use guns for that (he's not a
bowhunter).

He's opposed to private ownership of any firearm except shotguns plugged to three
shells. And just where in the Constitution exactly is hunting mentioned? He prattles
about "military-style assault weapons" while trying to ban semi-automatics, knowing
full well that no military-style assault weapon is semi-automatic.

I have the right to own and fire my Mauser, and, as far as I'm concerned, that
includes the right to be allowed to buy ammunition for it. Kerry tried to ban that,
and we aren't talking anything armor-piercing here.

One of the most frustrating things is that Kerry, Kennedy, and their ilk have people
like you convinced that the laws they want to pass will ban access to modern military
weapons and armour-piercing ammo. They won't. Laws to do that were passed in FDR's
time.

George Patterson
If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to have
been looking for it.

He's opposed to private ownership of any firearm except shotguns plugged
to three
shells. And just where in the Constitution exactly is hunting mentioned?
He prattles
about "military-style assault weapons" while trying to ban
semi-automatics, knowing
full well that no military-style assault weapon is semi-automatic.

Have you actually read his voting record and what types of weapons each
respective legislation was referring to? Evidently, not!

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Good Flights!

Cecil
PP-ASEL-IA
Student - CP-ASEL

Check out my personal flying adventures from my first flight to the
checkride AND the continuing adventures beyond!
Complete with pictures and text at: www.bayareapilot.com

"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery -

"We who fly, do so for the love of flying. We are alive in the air with
this miracle that lies in our hands and beneath our feet"
- Cecil Day Lewis -

I have the right to own and fire my Mauser, and, as far as I'm concerned,
that
includes the right to be allowed to buy ammunition for it. Kerry tried to
ban that,

I almost forgot,,,,what for goodness sake do you need to be firing
ammunition as large as the type that the Mauser uses? Are the deer BIGGER
where you live,,, home protection, if that's what you are thinking, favors a
shotgun (that's per some cop friends, who would know).

But PLEASE tell me that you aren't one of those crazies that thinks that if
the "government takes over" its' citizens, you are going to be there like
Rambo to prevent it - if that's it,,, don't want to have to tell ya bub, but
you'll be easily outgunned and outmanned and be planted in the ground in
your tracks, faster than you can blink.

Then there are the Freudian possibilities regarding the subconscious need to
have BIG cartridges grin

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Good Flights!

Cecil
PP-ASEL-IA
Student - CP-ASEL

Check out my personal flying adventures from my first flight to the
checkride AND the continuing adventures beyond!
Complete with pictures and text at: www.bayareapilot.com

"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery -

"We who fly, do so for the love of flying. We are alive in the air with
this miracle that lies in our hands and beneath our feet"
- Cecil Day Lewis -

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"G.R. Patterson III" wrote:


He's opposed to private ownership of any firearm except shotguns plugged to
three
shells. And just where in the Constitution exactly is hunting mentioned? He
prattles
about "military-style assault weapons" while trying to ban semi-automatics,
knowing
full well that no military-style assault weapon is semi-automatic.

I have the right to own and fire my Mauser, and, as far as I'm concerned,
that
includes the right to be allowed to buy ammunition for it. Kerry tried to ban
that,
and we aren't talking anything armor-piercing here.


Want to give us a few details, just for the record, about the "well
regulated militia" to which you, personally, belong? (given your focus
on the Constitution, I assume you do) -- Name, location where it's
registered, number of members, just who it's "well regulated" by, that
sort of thing?

Cecil Chapman wrote:

Guns
He's a hunter, I'm pretty sure they use guns for that (he's not a
bowhunter). Just because one doesn't support ownership of AK-47's and
public access to armor-piercing bullets doesn't make one an enemy to gun
ownership. In fact, his record as a senator reveals that he has
consistently supported appropriate gun ownership. I own two shotguns and a
couple of rifles - don't hunt, but skeet and target shoot. Even still, I
just don't think the average citizen needs armor-piercing bullets or AK-47's
(unless you live in remote parts of Alaska grin)/.

He's only a hunter when there is a camera around. His comments about
hunting show that he hasn't a clue about hunting. Funny, I don't recall
the second amendment ever mentioning hunting, or "appropriate" gun
ownership. You must have a different constitution than I have.

Kerry is so hypocritical he makes even Bill Clinton look like an honest man.


Matt

"Matt Whiting" wrote


Kerry is so hypocritical he makes even Bill Clinton look like an honest
man.


Matt

BINGO!!!
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Jim in NC


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Matt Whiting wrote:



He's only a hunter when there is a camera around.

What's really funny was how god damned stupid he looked in his tan color
Carhart coat he wore the last few weeks of the campaign. Trying to pass
himself off as some kind of working stiff. Damn thing was so new and
stiff it would stand up by itself on the floor. He looked like an idiot
in that thing. Like Dukakis in the tank fer christ sake.