how illegal am I?

"Cub Driver" wrote in message
...

Okay, the Cub I rent has no radio, hence no radio license. I am
vaguely aware, each time I use the handheld, that I am operating
without a station license.

Is this a problem? Should I apply to the FCC for a license, and if so,
what sort of license do I want?

You are just fine. In your situation a station or operators license is not
required. The requirement went away about a decade ago.


all the best -- Dan Ford
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Correct. You only need one if you are going outside the USA.
I have yet to have the folks in Canada ask for the Radio License.

Dave Stadt wrote:
You are just fine. In your situation a station or operators license is not
required. The requirement went away about a decade ago.

I have yet to have the folks in Canada ask for the Radio License.

I just returned to the US from a two-week flying tour of the Canadian
Maritimes. Neither I nor the pilots of the other two a/c were asked
for a radio license, or anything else, for that matter.

I was asked for my pilot's license when reentering the US at Bangor,
Maine.

vince norris

john smith wrote in message ...
Correct. You only need one if you are going outside the USA.
I have yet to have the folks in Canada ask for the Radio License.

You may not have been asked, but we (Canadian pilots operating in
Canada) are required to have the radio operators license on our
person, just like the pilot's license and medical certificate.

On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 15:24:04 GMT, john smith wrote:

Correct. You only need one if you are going outside the USA.
I have yet to have the folks in Canada ask for the Radio License.

Dave Stadt wrote:
You are just fine. In your situation a station or operators license is not
required. The requirement went away about a decade ago.

Thanks, guys. Guess what I found at Larry's website?:

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b) An aircraft station is licensed by rule and does not need an
individual license issued by the FCC if the aircraft
station is not required by statute, treaty, or agreement to which the
United States is signatory to carry a radio, and the aircraft station
does not make international flights or communications. Even though an
individual license is not required, an aircraft station licensed by
rule
must be operated in accordance with all applicable operating
requirements, procedures, and technical specifications found in this
part.

****************************

Which seems to say that the airplane has a "license" even if it
doesn't have a license!

I was going by the book "Say It Again". It was a secondhand copy and
may indeed be more than ten years old.

As for Canada, I have a recreational cert and therefore am't allowed
to fly in furrin parts.

all the best -- Dan Ford
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On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 06:05:17 -0500, Cub Driver
wrote in
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Thanks, guys.

You're welcome. I happy you found it useful.

I happy you happy.

PJ


"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 06:05:17 -0500, Cub Driver
wrote in
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Thanks, guys.

You're welcome. I happy you found it useful.

"Cub Driver" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 15:24:04 GMT, john smith wrote:

Correct. You only need one if you are going outside the USA.
I have yet to have the folks in Canada ask for the Radio License.

Dave Stadt wrote:
You are just fine. In your situation a station or operators license is
not
required. The requirement went away about a decade ago.

Thanks, guys. Guess what I found at Larry's website?:

*******************************

b) An aircraft station is licensed by rule and does not need an
individual license issued by the FCC if the aircraft
station is not required by statute, treaty, or agreement to which the
United States is signatory to carry a radio, and the aircraft station
does not make international flights or communications. Even though an
individual license is not required, an aircraft station licensed by
rule
must be operated in accordance with all applicable operating
requirements, procedures, and technical specifications found in this
part.

****************************

Which seems to say that the airplane has a "license" even if it
doesn't have a license!



What all that says is:
1. Radio regulations are governed by an International Agreement... not by
the USA, Canada, or any other one country.
2. That agreement requires a license for the radio (station license) and a
license for the operator (in the case of aviation, an Aeronautical
Restricted Operator's License)
3. The USA and Canada have elected to stop enforcing the station license
requirement (for VHF radio in planes and boats), where they have
jurisdiction.... that is: each within its own borders.
4. The USA has elected to stop enforcing the operator's license requirement
(but Canada continues to enforce it).
5. The rules in Canada and the USA will respect the installation or
operator of another country, (even if there is no license required in that
country), as long as there is a reciprocal agreement that allows the same
for both parties. Unfortunately, such an agreement has not yet been signed
between Canada and the USA.
6. THEREFORE, the *official* position of each country has to revert to
points 1 and 2 above. If "my" citizen operates a radio transmitter outside
of "my own" borders, I must enforce the license requirements, or I am in
breach of the International Agreement that I agreed to and signed.