how illegal am I?

Cub Driver wrote:

Okay, the Cub I rent has no radio, hence no radio license. I am
vaguely aware, each time I use the handheld, that I am operating
without a station license.

No license is required for broadcasting from an aircraft since about 1996.

George Patterson
If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to have
been looking for it.

Ah yes, the FAA requires us to have a station license if we are in Canada
where the FAA has no authority. Another fine example of our government in
action.

Actually there is a valid reason for this. Since the Canadian counterpart to
the FAA requires a license, we must also require our citizens flying through
canada to have one. You are under the jurisdiction of Canada if you get
caught without a license. The FCC is helping you out.

"Greg Butler" wrote in message
.. .

Ah yes, the FAA requires us to have a station license if we are in
Canada
where the FAA has no authority. Another fine example of our government
in
action.

Actually there is a valid reason for this. Since the Canadian counterpart
to
the FAA requires a license, we must also require our citizens flying
through
canada to have one. You are under the jurisdiction of Canada if you get
caught without a license. The FCC is helping you out.


And as I understand it the license costs $50 but the fine in Canada for not
having a license is $25. I think the FCC is helping itself out.

"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
om...

"Icebound" wrote in message
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"Cub Driver" wrote in message
...

Okay, the Cub I rent has no radio, hence no radio license. I am
vaguely aware, each time I use the handheld, that I am operating
without a station license....snip...

you are illegal only if you operate the station outside the USA.

Ah yes, the FAA requires us to have a station license if we are in Canada
where the FAA has no authority. Another fine example of our government in
action.


Remember that Radio rules are governed by International Agreement. The USA
and Canada choose not to enforce certain aspects of the licensing
requirement within their own borders, but once you wander Internationally,
they are supposed to comply with the International agreement.


As many have pointed out, Canada rarely, if ever, asks to see the
licenses.
....snip...

What do Canadian regulations say regarding station and operator licenses
if
a US citizen brings a private plane into Canada?



Radiocommunication Regulations, Jan 2002, Rule 12:
Radio apparatus used in a mobile station that is licensed or exempted by the
responsible
administration of another country is exempt from the application of
subsection 4(1) of the Act if
the mobile station is used for communications with stations licensed or
exempted in Canada or
that other country and if
(a) the operator is a citizen of that other country; and
(b) a reciprocal agreement that allows similar privileges to Canadians
exists between that
other country and Canada.


An undated (but post 9/11) statement from the Canadian licensing authority
states that "negotiations were entered" with the USA in 1999 to create such
a "reciprocal agreement" but they were never completed, ----and the official
position is that the licenses (station plus operators) are required----.

The statement goes on to say that it is a good idea for Canadians to have
their Station/Operators licenses in order if traveling to the USA in a post
9/11 era, if only as another validation of ID.

On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 15:24:04 GMT, john smith wrote:

Correct. You only need one if you are going outside the USA.
I have yet to have the folks in Canada ask for the Radio License.

Dave Stadt wrote:
You are just fine. In your situation a station or operators license is not
required. The requirement went away about a decade ago.

Thanks, guys. Guess what I found at Larry's website?:

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b) An aircraft station is licensed by rule and does not need an
individual license issued by the FCC if the aircraft
station is not required by statute, treaty, or agreement to which the
United States is signatory to carry a radio, and the aircraft station
does not make international flights or communications. Even though an
individual license is not required, an aircraft station licensed by
rule
must be operated in accordance with all applicable operating
requirements, procedures, and technical specifications found in this
part.

****************************

Which seems to say that the airplane has a "license" even if it
doesn't have a license!

I was going by the book "Say It Again". It was a secondhand copy and
may indeed be more than ten years old.

As for Canada, I have a recreational cert and therefore am't allowed
to fly in furrin parts.

all the best -- Dan Ford
email: (put Cubdriver in subject line)

Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com
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the blog www.danford.net

On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 06:05:17 -0500, Cub Driver
wrote in
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Thanks, guys.

You're welcome. I happy you found it useful.

I happy you happy.

PJ


"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 06:05:17 -0500, Cub Driver
wrote in
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Thanks, guys.

You're welcome. I happy you found it useful.

"Cub Driver" wrote in message
...

Okay, the Cub I rent has no radio, hence no radio license. I am
vaguely aware, each time I use the handheld, that I am operating
without a station license.

Is this a problem? Should I apply to the FCC for a license, and if so,
what sort of license do I want?

In the US, not illegal at all. You no longer need a radio license unless you
plan to leave and then re-enter the US.

There is no such thing as being a little bit illegal. :-)

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
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Cub Driver wrote:

Okay, the Cub I rent has no radio, hence no radio license. I am
vaguely aware, each time I use the handheld, that I am operating
without a station license.

No license is required for broadcasting from an aircraft since about 1996.

Except when abroad. An FCC Licence is needed to operate a radio in an N reg
aircraft in the UK and Europe (mine arrived yesterday) and we need a licence
to operate a radio in a G reg aircraft.

Jim Fisher wrote:

There's only one "R" in AROW nowadays, you know. The missing one if for the
redidio license.

And there never was a W really. It only gets included in the required
in-flight docs by virtue of it being in the O.

One of those things where we'll come up the cute mnemonic first and then
find out what to stick in it.