Non Standard ATC Phraseology

John Galban wrote:



One thing to keep in mind, inbound traffic from the north or south
and asked to enter a downwind, they expect you to fly a 45 to the
downwind. I don't know if this is a standard procedure, but it is
often published in the "Tower Talk" section of the airport newsletter.

That would be a local thing. At the two places I have worked, one being
where UND lives, if I ask you to enter a right downwind you better not
have been flying outside the old ATA to suddenly come zipping in at
midfield. If I want you at mid field I will tell you to enter a
midfield downwind.

John Galban wrote:

Newps wrote in message ...

If he asks for a report that is usually
because he doesn't have radar.


KCHD almost always asks for a 2 mile report on any leg except the
downwind entry (where they tell you to report turning downwind). They
do have a D-Brite radar display. I've asked tower personnel about it
and they're just trying to make sure they don't forget you. Slow
training traffic often reports in from 8 miles out and it can be
awhile before they actually enter the pattern environment.

Yes, that way you can go back to the card game and wait for his call.

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 15:05:55 -0700, Newps wrote:

If I want you at mid field I will tell you to enter a
midfield downwind.

And this is an instruction to cross the field at pattern altitude?

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On 19 Nov 2004 13:31:07 -0800, (John Galban)
wrote:

KCHD almost always asks for a 2 mile report on any leg except the
downwind entry (where they tell you to report turning downwind).

Okay, that brings up a question that bugs me. KPSM says: "Report left
base." Now, I could go onto that left base five miles out, and it
would take me five minutes to reach the extended centerline.

Where does KPSM want me to report? He knows that I will be at 1,000
AGL, but that's all. My own feeling is that I should report at a
45-degree angle, or one mile from the extended centerline if I am
flying a one-mile pattern, two miles if a two-mile pattern. Is that
about right?

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Cub Driver wrote:
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 15:05:55 -0700, Newps wrote:


If I want you at mid field I will tell you to enter a
midfield downwind.


And this is an instruction to cross the field at pattern altitude?

No, enter the pattern by flying right at midfield then turn downwind.

This thread has nothing to do with phraseology.
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"Cub Driver" wrote in message
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Okay, that brings up a question that bugs me. KPSM says: "Report left
base." Now, I could go onto that left base five miles out, and it
would take me five minutes to reach the extended centerline.


Prescott (KPRC) did this to me last week. I was easily five miles out when
the tower told me to enter left base for RWY 21L but they didn't say how far
out to call it. They gave me a traffic advisory and when I said I had the
traffic in sight, they just told me to follow that traffic to the runway.


Where does KPSM want me to report? He knows that I will be at 1,000
AGL, but that's all. My own feeling is that I should report at a
45-degree angle, or one mile from the extended centerline if I am
flying a one-mile pattern, two miles if a two-mile pattern. Is that
about right?

all the best -- Dan Ford
email: (put Cubdriver in subject line)

Would they just want you to report at the same location as if you had turned
downwind to base?

This strikes me as being very close in for a base entry!!

Dunno about John Galiban, but I can't remember Chandler ever giving me a
base entry without requesting that I report at "X miles." They have,
however, given me a clearance to land before I've reached the point where
they wanted me to report (eg, I'm cleared to land at 3.5 miles out when they
wanted me to call a 2 mile base...)

Jay Beckman
Chandler, AZ
PP-ASEL

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"Cub Driver" wrote in message
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Okay, that brings up a question that bugs me. KPSM says: "Report left
base." Now, I could go onto that left base five miles out, and it
would take me five minutes to reach the extended centerline.


Prescott (KPRC) did this to me last week. I was easily five miles out
when
the tower told me to enter left base for RWY 21L but they didn't say how
far
out to call it. They gave me a traffic advisory and when I said I had the
traffic in sight, they just told me to follow that traffic to the runway.


Where does KPSM want me to report? He knows that I will be at 1,000
AGL, but that's all. My own feeling is that I should report at a
45-degree angle, or one mile from the extended centerline if I am
flying a one-mile pattern, two miles if a two-mile pattern. Is that
about right?

all the best -- Dan Ford
email: (put Cubdriver in subject line)

Would they just want you to report at the same location as if you had
turned
downwind to base?

This strikes me as being very close in for a base entry!!

Dunno about John Galiban, but I can't remember Chandler ever giving me a
base entry without requesting that I report at "X miles." They have,
however, given me a clearance to land before I've reached the point where
they wanted me to report (eg, I'm cleared to land at 3.5 miles out when
they
wanted me to call a 2 mile base...)

Jay Beckman
Chandler, AZ
PP-ASEL



Same as Falcon, usually request a 2 mile report but cleared to land long
before reaching that reporting point

Rob AZ

On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 23:36:07 -0700, "Jay Beckman"
wrote:

Dunno about John Galiban, but I can't remember Chandler ever giving me a
base entry without requesting that I report at "X miles."

Funnily enough, Chandler is the only towered field I've ever flown
from. (I have a recreational certificate and until September had to be
endorsed for each ATC field individually.) It drove me crazy because I
regularly had to deal with three frequencies, and the plane of course
had but two radios.

I'd be taking off and instructed to make a turn at 400 feet, much too
low by my way of thinking, and simultaneously to change freqs. I'd
scramble and scramble and finally breathlessly say: Six Two Echo is
with you! and behold! the same voice would come back. Why was I
changing freqs if I wasn't changing controllers? I found the radio
work more exhausting than the aerobatics!


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My understanding is that while the basic model is for each "service"
(arrival, tower, departure, etc.) to have an individual controller and an
individual frequency for each, but that during low-traffic periods a single
controller may handle more than one service. However, he will continue to
use the frequency assigned to each service as that is the frequency listed
on charts, etc.





"Cub Driver" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 23:36:07 -0700, "Jay Beckman"
wrote:

Dunno about John Galiban, but I can't remember Chandler ever giving me a
base entry without requesting that I report at "X miles."

Funnily enough, Chandler is the only towered field I've ever flown
from. (I have a recreational certificate and until September had to be
endorsed for each ATC field individually.) It drove me crazy because I
regularly had to deal with three frequencies, and the plane of course
had but two radios.

I'd be taking off and instructed to make a turn at 400 feet, much too
low by my way of thinking, and simultaneously to change freqs. I'd
scramble and scramble and finally breathlessly say: Six Two Echo is
with you! and behold! the same voice would come back. Why was I
changing freqs if I wasn't changing controllers? I found the radio
work more exhausting than the aerobatics!


all the best -- Dan Ford
email: (put Cubdriver in subject line)

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