I want to buy a plane by year-end but they're not making it easy.

In rec.aviation.owning Jay Honeck wrote:
Mustangs don't even handle like BMWs, let alone Formula cars of any genre!
Is it safe to say that you haven't driven a Mustang with the Cobra
suspension?
It's quite different from a stock Mustang.

According to a google search of previous rec.aviation postings, you're
Mustang has the 2.8L six. It's not exactly a Cobra, even with suspension
upgrades. Plus, the BMW probably does handle better than a Cobra (Mustang
Cobra, not AC Cobra, of course).



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"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
...

Yes, same here. I figure time is on my side, not theirs. The more time
we all take, the better it comes out for me. I once spent 5 WEEKS
negotiating for a car. I got it for my price in the end and even got a
call from the owner of the dealership to finalize the deal.

We just bought a new 2004 Sienna this year. We drive cars 10 plus years, so
buying new makes sense.

I did the www.fightingchance.com thing where you have all the invoice info
and you contact dealers within a couple of hours driving distance, about 3
days before the end of the month. I spent a good part of a day on the phone
as dealers called in trying to beat each other. Keep in mind that this was a
very hot car and there were almost none on dealers lots. About half of the
dealers never called me back, but that left me 12 dealers to deal with.

It soon came apparent that only a couple of dealers actually had a van on
the lot. And the funny thing was that multiple dealers were trying to sell
the same van. I learned a lot from the experience. Dealers regularly trade
cars with each other and create a sort of "virtual" car lot.

By the end of the day, I paid invoice price for the new van. The dealer used
the holdback and doc fee to cover his costs and make some money. The next
day after I got off of work, they even sent a driver to pick me up and drive
me 1.5 hours to the dealership to finish the deal. They did this because
they HAD to get me in there before the close of business since it was the
last day of the month and the wife was out of town. I walked in, handed them
a check, signed a couple of things and drove it home.

Yet another way to buy a car. It worked as advertised.

-Trent
PP-ASEL

"T.Roger" wrote in message
. com...
I don't have my ticket yet -- and I'm really committed because I want to
buy
my own plane to train and fly -- and I want to take advantage of the tax
write-off about to expire at year end.

I've been at this since August.
But, hell, they're not making it easy.

No, they are not, and not just because of your problem, either. Most of
these companies that promised airplanes for delivery late this year are
putting off their customers until next year due to production and/or
certification issues -- which creates a huge tax problem for many. In fact,
there is already talk of class action lawsuits, even while the aircraft
manufacturers are lobbying to get the government to extend the tax benefits
to aircraft ordered, but not delivered this year. It is a huge mess and it
affects all the manufacturers.

So even if you were able to get someone to let you demo the plane, my guess
is you would find it impossible to take delivery this year. Even if the
dealer had a plane on the lot (I think Galvin has a nice DA-40 available),
you would probably have trouble getting financing arranged before the end of
the year.

Jay Honeck wrote:

Mustangs don't even handle like BMWs, let alone Formula cars of any genre!


Is it safe to say that you haven't driven a Mustang with the Cobra
suspension?

Yes.

It's quite different from a stock Mustang.

Doesn't matter. It ain't no BMW, let alone a Formula 1 contender. :-)


Matt

Trent Moorehead wrote:

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
...


Yes, same here. I figure time is on my side, not theirs. The more time
we all take, the better it comes out for me. I once spent 5 WEEKS
negotiating for a car. I got it for my price in the end and even got a
call from the owner of the dealership to finalize the deal.


We just bought a new 2004 Sienna this year. We drive cars 10 plus years, so
buying new makes sense.

It doesn't make financial sense. It makes sense if you value new cars
more than you value your money. :-)


I did the www.fightingchance.com thing where you have all the invoice info
and you contact dealers within a couple of hours driving distance, about 3
days before the end of the month. I spent a good part of a day on the phone
as dealers called in trying to beat each other. Keep in mind that this was a
very hot car and there were almost none on dealers lots. About half of the
dealers never called me back, but that left me 12 dealers to deal with.

Never tried that, but I'll have to check it out.


It soon came apparent that only a couple of dealers actually had a van on
the lot. And the funny thing was that multiple dealers were trying to sell
the same van. I learned a lot from the experience. Dealers regularly trade
cars with each other and create a sort of "virtual" car lot.

Yes, they play all sorts of games.


By the end of the day, I paid invoice price for the new van. The dealer used
the holdback and doc fee to cover his costs and make some money. The next
day after I got off of work, they even sent a driver to pick me up and drive
me 1.5 hours to the dealership to finish the deal. They did this because
they HAD to get me in there before the close of business since it was the
last day of the month and the wife was out of town. I walked in, handed them
a check, signed a couple of things and drove it home.

That's not bad for a Toyota, but the Toyota invoice is still pretty steep.


Matt

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
...

"T.Roger" wrote in message
. com...
I don't have my ticket yet -- and I'm really committed because I want to
buy
my own plane to train and fly -- and I want to take advantage of the tax
write-off about to expire at year end.

I've been at this since August.
But, hell, they're not making it easy.

No, they are not, and not just because of your problem, either. Most of
these companies that promised airplanes for delivery late this year are
putting off their customers until next year due to production and/or
certification issues -- which creates a huge tax problem for many. In
fact,
there is already talk of class action lawsuits, even while the aircraft
manufacturers are lobbying to get the government to extend the tax
benefits
to aircraft ordered, but not delivered this year. It is a huge mess and it
affects all the manufacturers.

So even if you were able to get someone to let you demo the plane, my
guess
is you would find it impossible to take delivery this year. Even if the
dealer had a plane on the lot (I think Galvin has a nice DA-40 available),
you would probably have trouble getting financing arranged before the end
of
the year.


To get bonus depreciation, all you have to do is order this year, and take
delivery next year. The depreciation will be in the year its put in
service.

You can get approved for financing in under 24 hours.

The challenge will be creating an LLC if you need one. I hear the aviation
specialist attourneys are all working overtime.

Strangely, our original poster has disappeared, so either he gave up, or got
what he wanted.

"Dude" wrote

You can get approved for financing in under 24 hours.

The challenge will be creating an LLC if you need one. I hear the
aviation
specialist attourneys are all working overtime.

Strangely, our original poster has disappeared, so either he gave up, or
got
what he wanted.
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Or.....
We've been..........
Trolled!!! GASP!

VBG
--
Jim in NC

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
...

We just bought a new 2004 Sienna this year. We drive cars 10 plus years,
so
buying new makes sense.

It doesn't make financial sense. It makes sense if you value new cars
more than you value your money. :-)

Well, I should have said that buying new made sense for us in THIS
situation. It doesn't always make sense and certainly buying used is more
often a smarter course of action financially speaking. We plan for this
vehicle to be our family truckster for the next 10 plus years, so it seemed
worth it this time around.

-Trent
PP-ASEL

Still here and reading...and waiting for a demo.



"Dude" wrote in message
...

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
...

"T.Roger" wrote in message
. com...
I don't have my ticket yet -- and I'm really committed because I want
to
buy
my own plane to train and fly -- and I want to take advantage of the
tax
write-off about to expire at year end.

I've been at this since August.
But, hell, they're not making it easy.

No, they are not, and not just because of your problem, either. Most of
these companies that promised airplanes for delivery late this year are
putting off their customers until next year due to production and/or
certification issues -- which creates a huge tax problem for many. In
fact,
there is already talk of class action lawsuits, even while the aircraft
manufacturers are lobbying to get the government to extend the tax
benefits
to aircraft ordered, but not delivered this year. It is a huge mess and
it
affects all the manufacturers.

So even if you were able to get someone to let you demo the plane, my
guess
is you would find it impossible to take delivery this year. Even if the
dealer had a plane on the lot (I think Galvin has a nice DA-40
available),
you would probably have trouble getting financing arranged before the
end
of
the year.


To get bonus depreciation, all you have to do is order this year, and take
delivery next year. The depreciation will be in the year its put in
service.

You can get approved for financing in under 24 hours.

The challenge will be creating an LLC if you need one. I hear the
aviation
specialist attourneys are all working overtime.

Strangely, our original poster has disappeared, so either he gave up, or
got
what he wanted.

On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 16:46:05 GMT, "T.Roger"
wrote:

Still here and reading...and waiting for a demo.


May I ask what your price range for a bird is?

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