Airports to ban cigarette lighters beyond checkpoints

On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 13:40:15 GMT, Larry Dighera wrote:

Welcome to the 21st century. :-(

your 21st century, that is. (but we are at our best way to copy all the bad
things as we did during the last centuries).

I don't know if this all will help improve general aviation.

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On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 13:50:36 GMT, Martin Hotze
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On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 13:40:15 GMT, Larry Dighera wrote:

Welcome to the 21st century. :-(

your 21st century, that is. (but we are at our best way to copy all the bad
things as we did during the last centuries).

As I recall, Germany perpetrated some of its own original "bad things"
in the last century that weren't copied from anyone else. :-(

I don't know if this all will help improve general aviation.

The airlines are shaking in their boots over the TSA's imposition of
repugnant (pseudo) security measures on its customers. With corporate
GA gaining ground every day as a result, airlines are seeing their
monopoly on air travel crumble before their eyes like the WTC towers.

On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 14:03:59 GMT, Larry Dighera wrote:

your 21st century, that is. (but we are at our best way to copy all the bad
things as we did during the last centuries).

As I recall, Germany perpetrated some of its own original "bad things"
in the last century that weren't copied from anyone else. :-(

let's agree to disagree there.

I don't know if this all will help improve general aviation.

The airlines are shaking in their boots over the TSA's imposition of
repugnant (pseudo) security measures on its customers. With corporate
GA gaining ground every day as a result, airlines are seeing their
monopoly on air travel crumble before their eyes like the WTC towers.

but only the wealthier people can afford those trips. Joe Average can't
afford a general aviation type of flight across Europe or the USA (within
reasonable time, means: turboprop or jet)

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On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 14:11:58 GMT, Martin Hotze
wrote in ::

On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 14:03:59 GMT, Larry Dighera wrote:
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I don't know if this all will help improve general aviation.

The airlines are shaking in their boots over the TSA's imposition of
repugnant (pseudo) security measures on its customers. With corporate
GA gaining ground every day as a result, airlines are seeing their
monopoly on air travel crumble before their eyes like the WTC towers.

but only the wealthier people can afford those trips. Joe Average can't
afford a general aviation type of flight across Europe or the USA (within
reasonable time, means: turboprop or jet)

Right. The airlines are seeing their most profitable customer base
(corporate/business air travel) steadily erode due to the airlines'
shortsighted attempt to be all things to all travelers on every
flight. And the TSA's inane pseudo security impositions are the last
straw in bringing the airline industry to its knees.

Unfortunately, the airlines' response is to attempt to impede GA,
rather than rethink their operational structure. What's the name of
that river in Egypt, denial? :-)

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message ...

The airlines are shaking in their boots over the TSA's imposition of
repugnant (pseudo) security measures on its customers. With corporate
GA gaining ground every day as a result, airlines are seeing their
monopoly on air travel crumble before their eyes like the WTC towers.


I guess you missed this part of the article:

Other industry observers have said it is disheartening that the TSA and Congress still must tinker with a security
problem brought to light in December 2001, rather than focusing on larger issues such as air cargo security or general
aviation security.

On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 15:20:08 GMT, "Blueskies"
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air cargo security or general aviation security.

The TSA may actually have a chance at success with air cargo security.
But until terrorists figure a way to kill thousands of innocent people
via that route, TSA will overlook it.

General aviation security is less of an issue than airline security,
because of the disparity in fuel capacity and passenger count between
a biz-jet and a B-747.

The current TSA focus on airline security is appropriate, but
successful security measures impose more harm (delays, indignities,
exasperation affecting hundreds of thousands of travelers) than the
terror they attempt to control, IMO.

On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 15:37:15 GMT, Larry Dighera wrote:

The current TSA focus on airline security is appropriate, but
successful security measures impose more harm (delays, indignities,
exasperation affecting hundreds of thousands of travelers) than the
terror they attempt to control, IMO.

who says that they want to control terror?
keep the people in fear and it will do what ever you want.

in other words: what do you _see_ as an outcome of the bombing in Madrid
(Spain)? [for su this was an awful attack, the people behind the scenes
are not 100% identified, and the government lost elections, etc. etc.] what
do you see as an outcome in Eastern Ireland or England?

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