3 lives lost

The plane was in an Alert area marked "Intensive Student Training" and it
was flying at 5000ft. It's on the map. Find out if it's hot before venturing
around in it. The military pilots were doing what they do in the area
reserved for them to do it in.



"Denny" wrote in message
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Darwin award!

While we are on the topic of stupidity, did everyone notice that the
military managed to t-bone another GA plane yesterday, killing the GA
pilot, while the intrepid combat pilots parachuted to safety..

Denny

fwiw...my news (ap) had it as a new duster being ferried from the
factory to the customer; thus the 5k.

dan

"OtisWinslow" wrote in message
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The plane was in an Alert area marked "Intensive Student Training" and it
was flying at 5000ft. It's on the map. Find out if it's hot before
venturing
around in it. The military pilots were doing what they do in the area
reserved for them to do it in.



"Alert Areas" don't run Hot/Cold do they?

I thought they were there because of the *constant* volume of traffic and
they are "See and Avoid" for everyone?

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
Chandler, AZ

Jay Beckman wrote:

"Alert Areas" don't run Hot/Cold do they?

I thought they were there because of the *constant* volume of traffic and
they are "See and Avoid" for everyone?

That's my understanding.

George Patterson
The desire for safety stands against every great and noble enterprise.

Jay Beckman wrote:
"OtisWinslow" wrote in message
...
The plane was in an Alert area marked "Intensive Student Training"
and it
was flying at 5000ft. It's on the map. Find out if it's hot before
venturing
around in it. The military pilots were doing what they do in the
area
reserved for them to do it in.



"Alert Areas" don't run Hot/Cold do they?

I thought they were there because of the *constant* volume of traffic
and
they are "See and Avoid" for everyone?


Alert Area A-561 ends at 4000' MSL. The Air Tractor was northbound, and
if indeed he was at 5000', that puts him at 1000' above the celing of
the alert area. Curious, if the ag plane were cruising at 5000' then I
wonder if he was on an instrument flight plan, otherwise if VFR, he
should've been 4500 or 5500 depending on course heading.

OtisWinslow wrote:
The plane was in an Alert area marked "Intensive Student Training"
and it
was flying at 5000ft. It's on the map. Find out if it's hot before
venturing
around in it.

In general, Alert Areas have no air-to-ground communication. There is
no effective way to know if it is hot.

Michael

Michael wrote:

In general, Alert Areas have no air-to-ground communication. There
is
no effective way to know if it is hot.


Most of the Alert Areas that I'm familiar with are co-located with a
base that does intensive training. As far as I know, they're always
considered hot.

Perhaps other areas of the country are different, but I haven't yet
run across an alert area that didn't have a frequency you could call to
get advisories within the Alert Area.
John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

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Michael wrote:

In general, Alert Areas have no air-to-ground communication. There
is
no effective way to know if it is hot.


Most of the Alert Areas that I'm familiar with are co-located with a
base that does intensive training. As far as I know, they're always
considered hot.

Perhaps other areas of the country are different, but I haven't yet
run across an alert area that didn't have a frequency you could call to
get advisories within the Alert Area.
John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)


Luke AFB has VHF freqs listed for doing just that, don't they John?

Jay B

Jay Beckman wrote:
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Most of the Alert Areas that I'm familiar with are co-located with
a
base that does intensive training. As far as I know, they're
always
considered hot.

Perhaps other areas of the country are different, but I haven't yet
run across an alert area that didn't have a frequency you could
call to
get advisories within the Alert Area.
John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)


Luke AFB has VHF freqs listed for doing just that, don't they John?

Yep. You call Luke Approach. There are boxes around the Alert Area
on the sectional that give you the frequency.
John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

"Michael" wrote in message
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OtisWinslow wrote:
The plane was in an Alert area marked "Intensive Student Training"
and it
was flying at 5000ft. It's on the map. Find out if it's hot before
venturing
around in it.

In general, Alert Areas have no air-to-ground communication. There is
no effective way to know if it is hot.

Michael


I was on a XC from Chandler, AZ to Yuma, AZ a couple of weeks back and my
route took me across the preferred north/south route from Luke AFB to the
R-XXXX areas that make up the bulk of the Goldwater bombing range south and
west of Phoenix.

I was just about to Gila Bend, getting traffic advisories from the
controlers at Luke and I found it interesting that I could also hear traffic
calls that were being made to the flights of F16s that were passing over the
top of me. I guess they must multiplex or piggyback the UHF radios on the
VHF band or vice versa.

It's still one of my favorite things to report "Cessna 564 has the flight of
four in sight."

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
Chandler, AZ