In Flight Malfunctions and Emergencies

"Bob" wrote in message .. .
Seems like a bit of collective might have helped too.
Bob

Bob
No question they were pulling collective but how much and when? I
think if a pilot is only flying one type of machine and does a few
practice autos it should be a no brainer. But, if a pilot is flying
several different types or models, they can get into trouble real
easy. For example, I was doing a lot of work in a Hiller 12E, and then
jumped into a UH1. Tremendous difference in auto characteristics
especially at the bottom and flare attitude. At the time I was flying
the Hiller, a Bell 47 variant called a Tomcat MK6, a 206B, and the
UH1.
It was hard enough keeping the starting procedures straight let alone
the emergency ones! These were all in spraying operations at the time.
Add to that the mix of flying both an Ag Cat and a Cessna AgHusky and
it really can get confusing. I nearly wiped myself out trying to do a
helicopter spray turn in an Ag Cat when I had to jump from one into
the other. Yahoooo......!!
Rocky

Rocky,
I was referring to the person with "full aft cyclic" and still dragging the
pitot tube (on the nose of the aircraft) on the ground.

Bob

"Bob" wrote in
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Rocky,
I was referring to the person with "full aft cyclic" and still
dragging the pitot tube (on the nose of the aircraft) on the ground.

Lots of collective is the only thing that kept him moving. He was getting
into dynamic rollover, and bottoming the collective might have helped, but
I don't think more collective was going to do anything good here.
Fortunately I wasn't in the cockpit, so I can't say for sure how much he
pulled, or whether more or less would have helped.

--
Regards,

Stan

Stan Gosnell wrote in message ...
"Bob" wrote in
:

Rocky,
I was referring to the person with "full aft cyclic" and still
dragging the pitot tube (on the nose of the aircraft) on the ground.

Lots of collective is the only thing that kept him moving. He was getting
into dynamic rollover, and bottoming the collective might have helped, but
I don't think more collective was going to do anything good here.
Fortunately I wasn't in the cockpit, so I can't say for sure how much he
pulled, or whether more or less would have helped.

Stan and Bob
One time I had to take a farmer up in the Hiller to ID a field to
spray. He was a really big guy - 6'6" and about 240#. We lifted off,
went to the field and returned, no problem. There was another
helicopter (Bell 47) working from a truck ahead of mine and he was
sitting there taking on a load of chemical as we approached my spot.
Well, as I began to flare to slow down, it didn't slow down and not
much flare! I kept pulling aft cyclic and it was at the stops (I
thought) when my pax said "Go around if you can..." and I pulled pitch
and began a turn and climb to avoid the 47 sitting ahead of me. I
glanced over at my pax and he was pushing himself up and back in the
seat to give the cyclic more aft movement. Seems I had pulled the
cyclic into his crotch during the flare and THAT is what limited the
aft movement! We both got a chuckle out of that afterwards and I
learned he was also a race pilot at the Nationals......
He was smart enough not to use the pedals to push himself back in the
seat or we might have been on the NEWS AT 5.
Rocky

Stan Gosnell wrote in message ...
"Bob" wrote in
:

Rocky,
I was referring to the person with "full aft cyclic" and still
dragging the pitot tube (on the nose of the aircraft) on the ground.

Lots of collective is the only thing that kept him moving. He was getting
into dynamic rollover, and bottoming the collective might have helped, but
I don't think more collective was going to do anything good here.
Fortunately I wasn't in the cockpit, so I can't say for sure how much he
pulled, or whether more or less would have helped.

Stan & Bob
It makes me think of a time when I had to take a farmer up in the
Hiller to check a field for positive ID. He was a big guy at 6'6" and
about 240#. We took off, checked the field, no problem. On return,
there was a Bell 47 working ahead of me with his nurse rig on the
ground, and as I began to flare, it wouldn't slow down. I pulled aft
cyclic to what I thought were the stops and it kept going. My pax
hollered "can you go around?" and I began doing so to avoid hitting
the 47 at the same time. I pulled pitch and turned with room to spare
and glanced over at my pax who was pushing himself farther back and up
in the seat. Turns out the cyclic was jammed back into his crotch
while I was trying to flare it out! We made a good landing the 2nd
time around. Then I learned the guy was also a race pilot at the
Nationals and had sense enough to keep his feet off the pedals while
he pushed himself back in the seat. We got a chuckle out of that after
the fact. It also taught me to not put any pax in the left seat when
the duals were installed!
Best Regards
Rocky

Stan Gosnell wrote:

"Bob" wrote in
:



Rocky,
I was referring to the person with "full aft cyclic" and still
dragging the pitot tube (on the nose of the aircraft) on the ground.



Lots of collective is the only thing that kept him moving. He was getting
into dynamic rollover, and bottoming the collective might have helped, but
I don't think more collective was going to do anything good here.
Fortunately I wasn't in the cockpit, so I can't say for sure how much he
pulled, or whether more or less would have helped.


Stan & Bob
It makes me think of a time when I had to go up witha pilot in a
Hiller to check my field for positive ID. He was a little guy at 5'6" and
about 140#. We took off, checked the field, no problem. On return,
there was a Bell 47 working ahead of us with his chopper on the
ground, and as we began to approach, it wouldn't slow down. He pulled aft
cyclic to what he thought were the stops and it kept going. I
hollered "can you go around?" and he began doing so to avoid hitting
the 47 at the same time. He pulled pitch and turned with room to spare
and glanced over at me, while I was pushing myself farther back and up
in the seat. The cyclic was jammed back into my crotch
while he was trying to flare it out! We made a good landing the 2nd
time around. Then I told him I was also a race pilot at the
Nationals.At least I had sense enough to keep my feet off the pedals while
I pushed myself back in the seat. We got a chuckle out of that after
the fact. What a wild ride!!

seeya
ref

p.s. This post is just a joke, for those who just think it a great coincidence!



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