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![]() Feeling nostalgic... I installed FS 3, 5.1, and 98 again. I also have FS2, but that one I have only runs on a Commodore 64/128. And my FS3 came on a single 720KB floppy. And boy is the detail in this version very barren! About only 8 buildings around Meigs Downtown Chicago). Grant Park is just a yellow square, etc. And it uses CGA graphics and the silly PC speaker (buzzer) for sound. Anyway my question is about running MSDOS FS5.1 under Windows 2000. I got it working under W98SE on this same machine. Although under W98SE, FS5.1 complains when you set something (a display feature) that requires expanded memory, that I don't have any (although I have 256MB worth of it which 64MB available for DOS). But if I go ahead and ignore the message, it seems to work just fine anyway. Although the digitized sound can use either expanded or conventional memory. And there are many warnings (in the manuals and in the software) that under Windows that digitized sound may crash if expanded memory is used. And it sure does. Anyway back to Windows 2000. I guess I am not looking exactly how to do it (as I can figure it out and I don't want people to waste too much time on it), but I am just wondering if anybody has ever gotten MSDOS FS 5.1 up and running under Windows 2000 ever? As the requirements on the box states you need MSDOS 5 or higher. And Windows 2000/XP doesn't sport any real DOS (only through emulation). Although the readme1.txt explains how to run under Windows 3.1, Windows 95, DR-DOS and OS/2 2.1 systems (and OS/2 doesn't sport a real DOS either). Although I thought I saw something that mentioned about Windows NT too. But I can't find it now. Maybe that was for another FS version that I was thinking of. Anyway playing around with MSDOS FS 5.1 under Windows 98SE isn't as bad as I remembered. The graphics are better under FS98 of course, but 5.1 is definitely still enjoyment to fly. And believe it or not, the Sopwith has brakes under 5.1. grin Although it didn't have the Bell heli yet in this version. Bill --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.560 / Virus Database: 352 - Release Date: 1/8/2004 |
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Hello Bill,
Try to search google for a dos and/or Commodore emulator, maybe this works. Regards, Redmar "Bill Wolff" wrote in message ... Feeling nostalgic... I installed FS 3, 5.1, and 98 again. I also have FS2, but that one I have only runs on a Commodore 64/128. And my FS3 came on a single 720KB floppy. And boy is the detail in this version very barren! About only 8 buildings around Meigs Downtown Chicago). Grant Park is just a yellow square, etc. And it uses CGA graphics and the silly PC speaker (buzzer) for sound. Anyway my question is about running MSDOS FS5.1 under Windows 2000. I got it working under W98SE on this same machine. Although under W98SE, FS5.1 complains when you set something (a display feature) that requires expanded memory, that I don't have any (although I have 256MB worth of it which 64MB available for DOS). But if I go ahead and ignore the message, it seems to work just fine anyway. Although the digitized sound can use either expanded or conventional memory. And there are many warnings (in the manuals and in the software) that under Windows that digitized sound may crash if expanded memory is used. And it sure does. Anyway back to Windows 2000. I guess I am not looking exactly how to do it (as I can figure it out and I don't want people to waste too much time on it), but I am just wondering if anybody has ever gotten MSDOS FS 5.1 up and running under Windows 2000 ever? As the requirements on the box states you need MSDOS 5 or higher. And Windows 2000/XP doesn't sport any real DOS (only through emulation). Although the readme1.txt explains how to run under Windows 3.1, Windows 95, DR-DOS and OS/2 2.1 systems (and OS/2 doesn't sport a real DOS either). Although I thought I saw something that mentioned about Windows NT too. But I can't find it now. Maybe that was for another FS version that I was thinking of. Anyway playing around with MSDOS FS 5.1 under Windows 98SE isn't as bad as I remembered. The graphics are better under FS98 of course, but 5.1 is definitely still enjoyment to fly. And believe it or not, the Sopwith has brakes under 5.1. grin Although it didn't have the Bell heli yet in this version. Bill --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.560 / Virus Database: 352 - Release Date: 1/8/2004 |
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LOL
I played Sublogic's FS2 again not too long ago for nostalgia. I'm not familiar with the lineage of MSFS, but did it evolve out of Sublogic's FS? I remember Sublogic's FS2 having been developed for most of the 8-biters back "in the day". I had FS2 for the Radio Shack TRS-80 "Color Computer 3". I still have the original 5 1/4, the manuals, and the maps that came with it. I'm wasn't about to dig out all the Coco stuff just to play it, but it worked well enough through an emulator. Pretty funny compared to today's capability. |
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![]() From: "Eric" Newsgroups: alt.games.microsoft.flight- sim,microsoft.public.flightsim,rec.aviation.simula tors Subject: MSDOS FS 5.1 runnable under Windows 2000/XP? Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 14:45:51 -0500 LOL I played Sublogic's FS2 again not too long ago for nostalgia. Hi Eric... Yes it is fun to pull those things out from time to time. I'm not familiar with the lineage of MSFS, but did it evolve out of Sublogic's FS? I remember Sublogic's FS2 having been developed for most of the 8-biters back "in the day". Yes, SubLOGIC (Bruce Artwick was a main guy) created what is now known as MS Flight Simulator. And versions of FS 1 and 2 never mentions Microsoft on any copy that I know of. It was only there with FS3 and up. And I don't know if MS licensed it or bought them out or what? I do know some of the people working for SubLOGIC did become Microsoft employees though. I had FS2 for the Radio Shack TRS-80 "Color Computer 3". I still have the original 5 1/4, the manuals, and the maps that came with it. I'm wasn't about to dig out all the Coco stuff just to play it, but it worked well enough through an emulator. Pretty funny compared to today's capability. You bet. Cheers! ____________________________________________ Bill (using a HP Pavilion 8655c under 2000) -- written and edited within WordStar 5.0 |
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![]() Hi Eric... Well guess what? Besides the very nice links that Mark D. Stotzer had provided on the FS history, there also appears to be an item being sold on eBay that claims it is Microsoft Flight Simulator v1.0 for the PC. You can find it quickly by this URL: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=3652157551 I've been using MS/SubLOGIC Flight Simulators since v2. And I never even had known there was a v1 available for the PC. That was until recently. And if I did know one was available way back then, I'm sure I would have bought it. grin Cheers! ____________________________________________ Bill (using a HP Pavilion 8655c under 2000) -- written and edited within WordStar 5.0 ~~~~~~~~~ From: "Bill Wolff" Newsgroups: alt.games.microsoft.flight- sim,microsoft.public.flightsim,rec.aviation.simula tors Subject: MSDOS FS 5.1 runnable under Windows 2000/XP? Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 11:08:26 -0600 ... Yes, SubLOGIC (Bruce Artwick was a main guy) created what is now known as MS Flight Simulator. And versions of FS 1 and 2 never mentions Microsoft on any copy that I know of. It was only there with FS3 and up. And I don't know if MS licensed it or bought them out or what? I do know some of the people working for SubLOGIC did become Microsoft employees though... ~~~~~~~~~ From: "Eric" Newsgroups: alt.games.microsoft.flight- sim,microsoft.public.flightsim,rec.aviation.simula tors Subject: MSDOS FS 5.1 runnable under Windows 2000/XP? Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 14:45:51 -0500 ... I'm not familiar with the lineage of MSFS, but did it evolve out of Sublogic's FS? I remember Sublogic's FS2 having been developed for most of the 8-biters back "in the day"... |
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"Bill Wolff"
there also appears to be an item being sold on eBay that claims it is Microsoft Flight Simulator v1.0 for the PC. You can find it quickly by this URL: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=3652157551 Interestingly, he's gotten 0 bids with 20 hours left. Dallas |
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![]() "Bill Wolff" wrote in message ... Feeling nostalgic... I installed FS 3, 5.1, and 98 again. I also have FS2, but that one I have only runs on a Commodore 64/128. And my FS3 came on a single 720KB floppy. And boy is the detail in this version very barren! About only 8 buildings around Meigs Downtown Chicago). Grant Park is just a yellow square, etc. And it uses CGA graphics and the silly PC speaker (buzzer) for sound. Anyway my question is about running MSDOS FS5.1 under Windows 2000. I got it working under W98SE on this same machine. Although under W98SE, FS5.1 complains when you set something (a display feature) that requires expanded memory, that I don't have any (although I have 256MB worth of it which 64MB available for DOS). But if I go ahead and ignore the message, it seems to work just fine anyway. Although the digitized sound can use either expanded or conventional memory. And there are many warnings (in the manuals and in the software) that under Windows that digitized sound may crash if expanded memory is used. And it sure does. Anyway back to Windows 2000. I guess I am not looking exactly how to do it (as I can figure it out and I don't want people to waste too much time on it), but I am just wondering if anybody has ever gotten MSDOS FS 5.1 up and running under Windows 2000 ever? As the requirements on the box states you need MSDOS 5 or higher. And Windows 2000/XP doesn't sport any real DOS (only through emulation). Although the readme1.txt explains how to run under Windows 3.1, Windows 95, DR-DOS and OS/2 2.1 systems (and OS/2 doesn't sport a real DOS either). Although I thought I saw something that mentioned about Windows NT too. But I can't find it now. Maybe that was for another FS version that I was thinking of. Anyway playing around with MSDOS FS 5.1 under Windows 98SE isn't as bad as I remembered. The graphics are better under FS98 of course, but 5.1 is definitely still enjoyment to fly. And believe it or not, the Sopwith has brakes under 5.1. grin Although it didn't have the Bell heli yet in this version. Bill --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.560 / Virus Database: 352 - Release Date: 1/8/2004 I've got FS5.1 loaded on a Windows 98SE and it flies off on me. I'm going to load it on a second machine that has more ram & disk space to see what happens. I still have the original manual That might contain the info you are looking for. Anyway, the good news for me is that you have been able to get it going on 98SE. No. On initial review I did not find anything about using DOS emulators in the manual. I'll keep looking, though. There definitely are attractions in the FS5.1. Sometimes newer versions make it harder to learn with the Gee Wiz technology that later editions have added. John |
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![]() From: "John" Newsgroups: alt.games.microsoft.flight- sim,microsoft.public.flightsim,rec.aviation.simula tors Subject: MSDOS FS 5.1 runnable under Windows 2000/XP? Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 00:13:45 GMT I've got FS5.1 loaded on a Windows 98SE and it flies off on me. I'm going to load it on a second machine that has more ram & disk space to see what happens. Hi John... Thanks! Although what I am most interested in is what you see when you fire up FS5.1 under Windows 98SE and then: Select Options from the menubar Select Simulator Info Now tell me how much XMS memory is being used and how much is free. Mine always states 0 is being used and 64MB (65535) is free. Now on this same page, check the EMS and XMS handles. Mine always shows 0 EMS handles (used and free) and 7 to 26 being used for XMS with 26 to 14 being free. Depending on what graphic features you turn on and off. So this is telling me two different things here. That there are no XMS memory being used, but the XMS handles are telling me that it is using XMS memory. Although everything appears to be working okay (under Windows 98SE anyway, as Windows 2000 still won't run it), so it is only a curious thing with me. Another thing I would like for you to check out is: Select Options from the menubar Select Preferences Select Sound Is yours set that the sound is using XMS memory? As I remember when I ran it under Windows 95 that this had to be off as well (as FS5.1 crashes before you can do anything and you have to reinstall or edit the configuration file to turn it back to off). Although under DOS and not Windows, this option turned on was okay. Although it doesn't really matter since under Windows 98SE, one has plenty of conventional memory it can use instead anyway. Another thing that would nice for you to check is instead of selecting the Sound button from the Preferences menu, is to select Display this time and now click on the Scenery Display Options. Is all of yours checked? Mine are. But if you uncheck say Textured Sky and then recheck it, I get a warning that this computer doesn't have XMS (expanded memory), but it does have EMS (extended memory). And both claims are false! As I have no EMS memory and lots of XMS memory configured. I still have the original manual That might contain the info you are looking for. Anyway, the good news for me is that you have been able to get it going on 98SE. No. On initial review I did not find anything about using DOS emulators in the manual. I'll keep looking, though. Well I have two sets of manuals and I think I have found everything they say about it anyway. Although if not, all I need is a page number or something if you have better luck than I did. And I really would like to have it working under Windows 2000. Although at this time, I don't believe it is going to happen. Maybe MS has it listed in there compatibility list or something. Gosh I wonder where they hide that list today? There definitely are attractions in the FS5.1. Sometimes newer versions make it harder to learn with the Gee Wiz technology that later editions have added. John While I flown a Cessna 172 during the 70's while I was taking lessons. I never got the hang of all of the ADT, transponder, EFIS, etc. And I still don't. As all of this time on the flight simulators, all I want to do is to fly and not mess around with the other stuff. Although now I am seriously looking at all of this NAV/COM stuff. And also now I want to learn it. So I fired up FS2002 and had taken a few lessons in this area. Well the Instructor said that I could switch communication frequencies if I wanted to. But he never said don't and I did. Well now everything he was talking about didn't make any sense because I was somewhere else. And I am not grasping the VOR thing either too well. Although firing up FS5.1, this stuff seems so much easier to grasp, like you say. Plus you have the paper manuals right there when you have a problem with something. Plus believe it or not, I think the grass in Solder's Field looks better in FS5.1 than any version I've seen to date. grin So I look forward to hearing from you again, if you don't mind checking this stuff out for me. And thanks in advance. Cheers! ____________________________________________ Bill (using a HP Pavilion 8655c under 2000) -- written and edited within WordStar 5.0 |
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The expanded memory error you're getting is because himem.sys is not loaded
(and what was the other one - mem386.exe? Too bloody long since I played with dos.) which gives dos apps access to expanded memory. "Bill Wolff" wrote in message ... Feeling nostalgic... I installed FS 3, 5.1, and 98 again. I also have FS2, but that one I have only runs on a Commodore 64/128. And my FS3 came on a single 720KB floppy. And boy is the detail in this version very barren! About only 8 buildings around Meigs Downtown Chicago). Grant Park is just a yellow square, etc. And it uses CGA graphics and the silly PC speaker (buzzer) for sound. Anyway my question is about running MSDOS FS5.1 under Windows 2000. I got it working under W98SE on this same machine. Although under W98SE, FS5.1 complains when you set something (a display feature) that requires expanded memory, that I don't have any (although I have 256MB worth of it which 64MB available for DOS). But if I go ahead and ignore the message, it seems to work just fine anyway. Although the digitized sound can use either expanded or conventional memory. And there are many warnings (in the manuals and in the software) that under Windows that digitized sound may crash if expanded memory is used. And it sure does. Anyway back to Windows 2000. I guess I am not looking exactly how to do it (as I can figure it out and I don't want people to waste too much time on it), but I am just wondering if anybody has ever gotten MSDOS FS 5.1 up and running under Windows 2000 ever? As the requirements on the box states you need MSDOS 5 or higher. And Windows 2000/XP doesn't sport any real DOS (only through emulation). Although the readme1.txt explains how to run under Windows 3.1, Windows 95, DR-DOS and OS/2 2.1 systems (and OS/2 doesn't sport a real DOS either). Although I thought I saw something that mentioned about Windows NT too. But I can't find it now. Maybe that was for another FS version that I was thinking of. Anyway playing around with MSDOS FS 5.1 under Windows 98SE isn't as bad as I remembered. The graphics are better under FS98 of course, but 5.1 is definitely still enjoyment to fly. And believe it or not, the Sopwith has brakes under 5.1. grin Although it didn't have the Bell heli yet in this version. Bill --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.560 / Virus Database: 352 - Release Date: 1/8/2004 |
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"Cyril Mellor" wrote in message
... (and what was the other one - mem386.exe? Too bloody long since I played with dos.) Very close. emm386.exe. |
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