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In article , Shiver Me Timbers says...

My point is simple. Considering the historical importance of what took
place today and the fact that the thread in question was to allow the
regulars here to congratulate and give accolades to Burt Rutan and his
team, why would Chuck decide that he just had to somehow interject
the Zoom and Juan factor into the equation instead of just coming in
like everyone else, congratulating Burt as he richly deserved, and just
shutting the **** up about his personal and ongoing problems with Zoom.

Mr Shiver
I don't think you did your homework before you decided to chime in. You said I
didn't congratulate Rutan for the SS1.Here's one of the posts I put up the other
day.
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In article , Richard Lamb says...

Absolutely breath taking flight!

I caught it real time on CNN (surprise)

That Miles character sure can talk alot!

Sure was . Usually famous people are famous because of doing something really
great. Rutan has done 2 great things with the prospect of even more. I never
thought he could top the round the world flight but he sure did ...in spades!!
Hats off to him and all his crew.

Chuck S

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There were a couple more but point made.I also wrote to the Rutan web site to
offer my congratulations. So if your going to criticize please get your facts
correct before making accusations. That's the same problem I have with zoom and
jaun.

This isn't Chuck's day, nor Zooms nor Juans..... It's Burt Rutans day
and those directly involved in the fantastic accomplishment that took
place today in outer space. There's that old saying of knowing when to
hold them and when to fold them, and in my humble opinion today Chuck
showed no more intelligence or comman sense than Zoom does in deciding
when and where to blow his nose.

zoom and jaun made it an issue when they bragged about his deep involvement with
the program and zoom being the pool reporter. I was merely commenting on the
fact that zoom was nowhere in sight. If this detracted from Burt's Day then I'm
getting a lot more credit then I deserve and besides Rutan has nothing to do
with me and zoom.


And since I like to think that I know when to hold them and when
to fold them, this is me saying that I have made my point and if
someone wants to spit at me for pointing out the obvious then
folks help yourselves.

Seems like you starting spitting first and as far as pointing out the obvious.It
would seem obvious that you have an agenda, I've "never"
seen you point out the obvious when the author was jaun or zoom but you sure
jumped out at me. Hmmmm

Have a nice day
Chuck RAH-14/1 ret

ChuckSlusarczyk wrote:

So if your going to criticize please get your facts correct before making
accusations. That's the same problem I have with zoom and jaun.

TO THE GROUP ------ Correct me if I am wrong.

According to the time stamps that I see on Chuck's postings in the
thread in question, his first posting was at 12.42 where he introduced
the Zoom and Juan factor into a thread congratulating Burt Rutan's
accomplishment, and Chuck's congratulatory post to Burt and the gang
did not take place until 2.02 Pm..... one hour and twenty minutes
later.

Chuck.... Those time stamps speak for themselves and I do believe I
have my facts correct.


Seems like you starting spitting first and as far as pointing out the
obvious.It would seem obvious that you have an agenda, I've "never"
seen you point out the obvious when the author was jaun or zoom but you sure
jumped out at me. Hmmmm

Since I have no axe to grind in the continuing saga of you, Zoom,
and Juan, you will never find me putting my two cents into those
discussions.

But Chuck the thread in question was not about you, Zoom, or Juan,
it was about Burt Rutan and his historical accomplishment that day,
and for whatever reason you just couldn't and wouldn't pass by the
opportunity to introduce the Zoom factor and blow your nose.

And my question to you is why did you feel it necessary to detract from
Burt's accomplishments just so you could advance your own personal
agenda....??????

It's not as if you couldn't have started up a new thread with a
different subject line, like you have done dozens of times in the past.

"Shiver Me Timbers" wrote ...
But Chuck the thread in question was not about you, Zoom, or Juan,
it was about Burt Rutan and his historical accomplishment that day,

"Historical" is probably a good discription. The technology used yesterday
was fifty years old. The only real question was why it took twenty five
million dollars of someone elses money to do it.

On top of that, the reentry system was just about as dorky as you can get.
Do you understand that if they go much higher that system won't work? Of
course, even the X15 couldn't go much higher than it went because of reentry
problems. Above 100 km its all free fall and that means higher reentry
speeds and that means a different reentry method.

Rich

Richard Isakson wrote:

"Shiver Me Timbers" wrote ...
But Chuck the thread in question was not about you, Zoom, or Juan,
it was about Burt Rutan and his historical accomplishment that day,

"Historical" is probably a good discription. The technology used yesterday
was fifty years old. The only real question was why it took twenty five
million dollars of someone elses money to do it.

On top of that, the reentry system was just about as dorky as you can get.
Do you understand that if they go much higher that system won't work? Of
course, even the X15 couldn't go much higher than it went because of reentry
problems. Above 100 km its all free fall and that means higher reentry
speeds and that means a different reentry method.

Rich

and different control systems appropriate to the enviornment
eg: vernier thrusters for pitch. yaw, and roll.

BTW, isn't the X-15 hanging in the Smithsonian the one that did the
last speed dash - kinda melted in places?

Richard

"Richard Lamb" wrote ...

BTW, isn't the X-15 hanging in the Smithsonian the one that did the
last speed dash - kinda melted in places?

I'm not sure which one's in the Smithsonian. It's interesting to note that
at the end of the program the total non-capture flight time for the whole
fleet was only 30 hours. The hours don't add up very fast when the average
flight times are eight to ten minutes ... even if the distances cover a
couple of states. Their normal high speed run dropped over northern Nevada
and landed at Edwards about twelve minutes later.

Rich

In article , Shiver Me Timbers says...

TO THE GROUP ------ Correct me if I am wrong.

According to the time stamps that I see on Chuck's postings in the
thread in question, his first posting was at 12.42 where he introduced
the Zoom and Juan factor into a thread congratulating Burt Rutan's
accomplishment, and Chuck's congratulatory post to Burt and the gang
did not take place until 2.02 Pm..... one hour and twenty minutes
later.

Chuck.... Those time stamps speak for themselves and I do believe I
have my facts correct.

Your right the times are correct but so what. I did lots of e mails and some
postings that night and that's how they came out. I never realized that Rutan
would be insulted because I took a jab at zoom before I posted a congratulatory
post on RAH. I had already sent one to the Rutan home page. But you wouldn't
have known that would you? Me thinks you protest too much. I saw no protests
from you over the political debates between jaun and others .Nor any comments
about the threads about the cats .Nor any protests about many of the inane
discussions that appear on this group ..Only when I said something about zoom.
Once again I detect a bias sorry but that's how I feel.

Since I have no axe to grind in the continuing saga of you, Zoom,
and Juan, you will never find me putting my two cents into those
discussions.

Timber what you say is true but that didn't stop you from criticizing me and
putting your .02 cents worth in that discussion. How can that be when you say
you have no ax to grind. Sorry But I smell an agenda...


But Chuck the thread in question was not about you, Zoom, or Juan,
it was about Burt Rutan and his historical accomplishment that day,
and for whatever reason you just couldn't and wouldn't pass by the
opportunity to introduce the Zoom factor and blow your nose.

I'll explain the relevance once again. zoom and jaun have been bragging about
how important a job zoom had with the project.I was merely commenting about what
seems to be a bit of empty noise from zoom and jaun. So my comments were
relevent.Maybe you don't think so but, hey it's a free country.


And my question to you is why did you feel it necessary to detract from
Burt's accomplishments just so you could advance your own personal
agenda....??????

I don't think Burt gives a rat's patootie about what I wrote and besides I never
said anything that was detrimental about what they had accomplished.
That was all your perception. I still wonder who's got the agenda around here?


It's not as if you couldn't have started up a new thread with a
different subject line, like you have done dozens of times in the past.

I guess I could have but I never guessed that someone would take such offense
to such a minor thing. At this point let's just say we agree to disagree and
leave it at that. This discussion is pointless.

Have a nice day

Chuck S

Shiver Me Timbers wrote in message ...

But Chuck the thread in question was not about you, Zoom, or Juan,
it was about Burt Rutan and his historical accomplishment that day,

Yes. I feel for Chuck, but above statement is correct.

Bryan