90 Degree turn while slipping

Funny thing this discussions. Slipping turns from base to final were part of
my practical exam to get my license in Germany. Well that's now 20+ years
ago, and we did that on Ka7, Ka8 and things like that.
It is coordinated flight, by the way.

--
Bert Willing

ASW20 "TW"


"Marc Ramsey" a écrit dans le message de
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ISoar wrote:
I can't find anything in my books about how to make a 90 degree turn
(e.g., downwind to base) while in a full slip, but maybe that's
because it's so obvious. (Given my limited # hours, just because
something seems obvious to me doesn't mean I'm not going to check it
out.)

Speaking for myself, when I say I'm making a "slipping turn from base to
final", what I really mean is that I start off in a coordinated
moderately banked turn. When the nose is still pointing something like
20 to 30 degrees away from the runway, I slowly start feeding in
opposite rudder to transition into a forward slip. Adjustments are
made in yaw, pitch, and roll, to maintain a stable forward slip on the
runway heading until any excess altitude is eliminated, at which point I
transition to straight flight and a normal landing.

If this is something you haven't done, you definitely should get an
instructor to show you how, this is not something you want to be
learning on your own...

Marc

On Thu, 5 Feb 2004 11:28:19 +0100, "Bert Willing"
wrote:

Funny thing this discussions. Slipping turns from base to final were part of
my practical exam to get my license in Germany. Well that's now 20+ years
ago, and we did that on Ka7, Ka8 and things like that.
It is coordinated flight, by the way.

An approach without flaps by sideslip-only (including sideslip turn
from downwind to final) was also required during my instructor
examination. I did that in a G-103 Twin Astir, but I also saw the same
being done with an ASH-25.

Lots of fun, by the way. Nothing more thrilling than taking part in a
precision landing contest without even touching the flap lever...



Bye
Andreas

The main difference is when you stop the sideslip with these new
composite planes. Higher speed required to maintain safe sideslip
position but these planes has no same drag in normal glide position as a
KA7 has. So expect to run much longer

/Janos

Andreas Maurer wrote:
On Thu, 5 Feb 2004 11:28:19 +0100, "Bert Willing"
wrote:


Funny thing this discussions. Slipping turns from base to final were part of
my practical exam to get my license in Germany. Well that's now 20+ years
ago, and we did that on Ka7, Ka8 and things like that.
It is coordinated flight, by the way.


An approach without flaps by sideslip-only (including sideslip turn
from downwind to final) was also required during my instructor
examination. I did that in a G-103 Twin Astir, but I also saw the same
being done with an ASH-25.

Lots of fun, by the way. Nothing more thrilling than taking part in a
precision landing contest without even touching the flap lever...



Bye
Andreas

On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 16:21:14 +0100, Janos Bauer
wrote:

The main difference is when you stop the sideslip with these new
composite planes. Higher speed required to maintain safe sideslip
position but these planes has no same drag in normal glide position as a
KA7 has. So expect to run much longer

This is the problematic point here.
It is possible to keep the sideslip even during the flare (to increase
drag), but the lower wing tip is very close to the ground then... not
a game for a beginner.

Frankly spoken, I have no idea how a "normal" pilot without lots of
sideslip experience is going to land a glass glider safely without the
use of aibrakes.


Bye
Andreas

Not even talking about aerobatic exams in a Lo100 :-)

--
Bert Willing

ASW20 "TW"


"Andreas Maurer" a écrit dans le message de
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On Thu, 5 Feb 2004 11:28:19 +0100, "Bert Willing"
wrote:

Funny thing this discussions. Slipping turns from base to final were part
of
my practical exam to get my license in Germany. Well that's now 20+ years
ago, and we did that on Ka7, Ka8 and things like that.
It is coordinated flight, by the way.

An approach without flaps by sideslip-only (including sideslip turn
from downwind to final) was also required during my instructor
examination. I did that in a G-103 Twin Astir, but I also saw the same
being done with an ASH-25.

Lots of fun, by the way. Nothing more thrilling than taking part in a
precision landing contest without even touching the flap lever...



Bye
Andreas

On Thu, 5 Feb 2004 18:13:39 +0100, "Bert Willing"
wrote:

Not even talking about aerobatic exams in a Lo100 :-)

Never mention glider aerobatics in my presence anymore...


Bye
Andreas