Is everybody afraid of World Class?

It's nice to see communist style thinking is alive and well somewhere
in the world.

The Central Comittee has determined that the PW-5 is the glider for the
common man. You will gather $30K US dollars at once and purchase a
PW-5. Those who advocate $20K used glass gliders or newer designs such
as the Sparrowhawk are hereby declared elitist, arrogant,
conterrevolutionary running dogs and are ordered to report for
re-education or else.

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It's nice to see communist style thinking is alive and well somewhere
in the world.

The Central Comittee has determined that the PW-5 is the glider for the
common man. You will gather $30K US dollars at once and purchase a
PW-5. Those who advocate $20K used glass gliders or newer designs such
as the Sparrowhawk are hereby declared elitist, arrogant,
conterrevolutionary running dogs and are ordered to report for
re-education or else.

You are wasting your time Mr. Kobiesa, for such a individuals like one
above the best sailplane would be something: "German Engineered",
Israel test flown, assembled in Mexico, price tag around 100K and with
gallant name like: "The Greatest American Freedom Eagle 1a"...

CL wrote:
wrote in message ...

It's nice to see communist style thinking is alive and well somewhere
in the world.

The Central Comittee has determined that the PW-5 is the glider for the
common man. You will gather $30K US dollars at once and purchase a
PW-5. Those who advocate $20K used glass gliders or newer designs such
as the Sparrowhawk are hereby declared elitist, arrogant,
conterrevolutionary running dogs and are ordered to report for
re-education or else.


You are wasting your time Mr. Kobiesa, for such a individuals like one
above the best sailplane would be something: "German Engineered",
Israel test flown, assembled in Mexico, price tag around 100K and with
gallant name like: "The Greatest American Freedom Eagle 1a"...

Now now children, let's not squabble...

How we get stupid people like you in soaring ?
If DG design and make new LS4 right now ,it would new cost about $70,000
Pw-5 new cost $22,000
All pilots be aware of idiots!!!

If DG design and make new LS4 right now ,it would new cost about $70,000
Pw-5 new cost $22,000

But a new Junior, 15m strong, good handling with better performance costs about
the same as a PeeWee.
No contest which I would buy

In article ,
NigelPocock wrote:
If DG design and make new LS4 right now ,it would new cost about $70,000
Pw-5 new cost $22,000

But a new Junior, 15m strong, good handling with better performance costs about
the same as a PeeWee.
No contest which I would buy

But how about the Junior vs. a retract Russia AC-4c or a Sparrowhawk?

The PeeWee simply won't be the next World Class glider. But
there are other 15m gliders which may. Do you think
15m is simply the minimum span (a 12-13.5 meter glider
is just silly?)

And you glider makers and repairers out there (Bob K. and JJ),
is there enough savings in weight and money to make the extra
wing of 15m that a 12-13.5 meter glider costs significantly less?

I don't know the answer to these questions, but I find them interesting.
For me personally, the answer is just plain yes, I'm happier
with less span. But if I weighed 225 lbs, I'd say just the
opposite, perhaps...
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Mark Boyd
Avenal, California, USA

Mark James Boyd wrote:

In article ,
NigelPocock wrote:
If DG design and make new LS4 right now ,it would new cost about $70,000
Pw-5 new cost $22,000

But a new Junior, 15m strong, good handling with better performance costs about
the same as a PeeWee.
No contest which I would buy

But how about the Junior vs. a retract Russia AC-4c or a Sparrowhawk?

The PeeWee simply won't be the next World Class glider. But
there are other 15m gliders which may. Do you think
15m is simply the minimum span (a 12-13.5 meter glider
is just silly?)

And you glider makers and repairers out there (Bob K. and JJ),
is there enough savings in weight and money to make the extra
wing of 15m that a 12-13.5 meter glider costs significantly less?

I don't know the answer to these questions, but I find them interesting.
For me personally, the answer is just plain yes, I'm happier
with less span. But if I weighed 225 lbs, I'd say just the
opposite, perhaps...

Some element of answer about the influence of the wing span on the
price of the glider: IIRC just before the production was stoppped
a few years ago, the LAK12 (20m wingspan) was sold new at about $20k.
It seems that the major factor of cost is the country where the glider
is built and the cost of manpower in this country, rather than the
wing span.

szd-55 flyer wrote:
How we get stupid people like you in soaring ?
If DG design and make new LS4 right now ,it would new cost about $70,000
Pw-5 new cost $22,000
All pilots be aware of idiots!!!

A new szd55 is about 35k... Maybe a Discus CS is also at this price range.

/Janos

Janos Bauer wrote in message . ..
szd-55 flyer wrote:
How we get stupid people like you in soaring ?
If DG design and make new LS4 right now ,it would new cost about $70,000
Pw-5 new cost $22,000
All pilots be aware of idiots!!!

A new szd55 is about 35k... Maybe a Discus CS is also at this price range.

/Janos


Where can I buy it????
I don't think you can buy a new Discus CS for much less than 50k$ in
Europe.
Just before they went bust LS offered LS4b for 45k€ IIRC (54k$).

http://www.szdusa.com/catalog.html states the SZD at 39k$ with
delivery by June 1999! I doubt very much the price has gone down
since. And those prices are without instruments. PW-5 price then was
20k$ incl. basic instruments.

Marcel Duenner wrote:
Janos Bauer wrote in message . ..

szd-55 flyer wrote:

How we get stupid people like you in soaring ?
If DG design and make new LS4 right now ,it would new cost about $70,000
Pw-5 new cost $22,000
All pilots be aware of idiots!!!

A new szd55 is about 35k... Maybe a Discus CS is also at this price range.

/Janos



Where can I buy it????
I don't think you can buy a new Discus CS for much less than 50k$ in
Europe.
Just before they went bust LS offered LS4b for 45k€ IIRC (54k$).

http://www.szdusa.com/catalog.html states the SZD at 39k$ with
delivery by June 1999! I doubt very much the price has gone down
since. And those prices are without instruments. PW-5 price then was
20k$ incl. basic instruments.

I don't know if it's outdated but try this link:
http://www.avionic.pl

/Janos