Postponed 3 students due to TSA

Demo flights for marketing are not required to meet the TSA criteria..
however.. if a log book is produced for a CFI endorsement to meet the
requirements of an additional rating.. then TSA rules are in effect.

BT

"Steve Hill" wrote in message
...
I have a curious question...If this whole "carry your papers" mess is based
on flight instructors verifying a "students" papers...and a "student" is
anyone a flight instructor takes for an instructional flight...wouldn't it
be a simple solution to just have rated pilots who are not instructors
take
"friends" for short "rides"...?? If the pilot were to elect to show a
friend
how he touches the controls for a moment every now and then, I don't see
where an infraction comes into play...I don't think there's any rules
about
showing friends how we as rated pilots do things...If that "ride with a
friend" entices a person to choose to pursue an instructional flight, with
a
certified instructor, that of course becomes a much more intentional act,
and a little planning and paperwork won't bog things down much at that
point, as they are merely compliance issues...

Perhaps I'm wrong, but methinks there is always more than one way to skin
a
cat...



Steve
DG-400

"BTIZ" wrote in message
news:0ACdd.34287$bk1.21274@fed1read05...
Demo flights for marketing are not required to meet the TSA criteria

Be careful here. They mean for "marketing" an aircraft, not "marketing"
flight training.

"Demonstration flight for marketing purposes means a flight for the purpose of
demonstrating an aircraft’s or aircraft

simulator’s capabilities or characteristics to a potential purchaser, or to an
agent of a potential purchaser,

of the aircraft or simulator, including an acceptance flight after an aircraft
manufacturer delivers an aircraft to a

purchaser."



Vaughn

is that buried in the TSA definitin somewhere?
I saw definitions for "flight school". "recurrency training".. etc.. but not
"marketing"

I can't market the flight school? or flying in general?

BT

"Vaughn" wrote in message
...

"BTIZ" wrote in message
news:0ACdd.34287$bk1.21274@fed1read05...
Demo flights for marketing are not required to meet the TSA criteria

Be careful here. They mean for "marketing" an aircraft, not
"marketing"
flight training.

"Demonstration flight for marketing purposes means a flight for the
purpose of
demonstrating an aircraft's or aircraft

simulator's capabilities or characteristics to a potential purchaser, or
to an
agent of a potential purchaser,

of the aircraft or simulator, including an acceptance flight after an
aircraft
manufacturer delivers an aircraft to a

purchaser."



Vaughn

"BTIZ" wrote in message
news:im_dd.36191$bk1.5328@fed1read05...
is that buried in the TSA definitin somewhere?
I saw definitions for "flight school". "recurrency training".. etc.. but not
"marketing"

The formatting was screwed up, but that was a quote straight from the rule.
Not a definition of "marketing" but rather of 'demonstration flight".


I can't market the flight school? or flying in general?

Sure you can. But you can't give a flight lesson and call it a
"demonstration flight" unless (perhaps) the purpose of the flight is to sell the
airplane.

Vaughn




BT

"Vaughn" wrote in message
...

"BTIZ" wrote in message
news:0ACdd.34287$bk1.21274@fed1read05...
Demo flights for marketing are not required to meet the TSA criteria

Be careful here. They mean for "marketing" an aircraft, not
"marketing"
flight training.

"Demonstration flight for marketing purposes means a flight for the
purpose of
demonstrating an aircraft's or aircraft

simulator's capabilities or characteristics to a potential purchaser, or
to an
agent of a potential purchaser,

of the aircraft or simulator, including an acceptance flight after an
aircraft
manufacturer delivers an aircraft to a

purchaser."



Vaughn

Update! From Judy R's post earlier today. It seems that this rule is
changing faster than we can talk about it.

"-- Introductory flights, field checks, aircraft checkouts
and other proficiency flights are NOT considered flight
training."

This seems to say that it is OK for a CFIG to turn a glider ride into
an introductory lesson without dealing with the citizenship issue. A good
thing, because we pick up lots of new students that way.

Vaughn

I can't market the flight school? or flying in general?

Sure you can. But you can't give a flight lesson and call it a
"demonstration flight" unless (perhaps) the purpose of the flight is to
sell the
airplane.

Vaughn


I did not say I was giving a lesson... I said I was marketing Aviation...

BT