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On 13 Nov 2004 01:51:12 GMT, ojunk (Robertmudd1u)
wrote:

It is not missing it already exists, the Apis M is a selflaunch 15meter span
glider available in kit form. It uses modern design concepts and materials. The
39hp. engine assures good climb rates even at high density altitudes.

Unfortunately that Apis is anything but cheap...

Visit the web site for more information. www.apisgliders.com

In all fairness I must mention that the Silent selflaunch is also available in
kit form but is 13meters in span.

..... and it's electric!
This is what I regard as the future of gliding.


Bye
Andreas

Unfortunately that Apis is anything but cheap...

Andreas,

"Cheap" is a relative term. the Apis M is less than half the price of a DG 800
or ASW-26. If you have a partner it is even better.

In a "cheap" motorglider you will mostly likely get what you pay for.

Robert Mudd

On 14 Nov 2004 00:24:35 GMT, ojunk (Robertmudd1u)
wrote:


"Cheap" is a relative term. the Apis M is less than half the price of a DG 800
or ASW-26. If you have a partner it is even better.

You are completely correect here - here in Germany a partnership is
the preferred way to own a glider.

But reading RAS I got the impression that partnerships are not common
in the US (hence the interest of many US pilots in cheap - or shall I
say low-budget? - gliders). Is my impression correct?



Bye
Andreas

But reading RAS I got the impression that partnerships are not common
in the US (hence the interest of many US pilots in cheap - or shall I
say low-budget? - gliders). Is my impression correct?
Bye
Andreas

Andreas,
From my experience it think that is correct. Many is the time I have talked
with pilots who wants to own a glider but can't afford it. I mention a
partnership and they say " Oh I could never be in a partnership"

I am always tempted to ask then just what personality defect they have that
will not allow them to get along with someone else and share the fun and cost
of a flying machine.

Well thought out partnerships are a great way to lower your flying costs and
have a glider of your choice to fly.

Robert Mudd

Andreas,

Partnerships are still common, although less so for the competitive
crowd. I believe the majority of gliders at my home airport are owned
in partnership but relatively few of them are campaigned regularly in
contests.

I do agree, however, that most U.S. pilots would rather own a glider
alone. Many of them probably dismiss the alternative of acquiring a
newer, better-equipped, and/or higher-performance glider by partnering
with another pilot or pilots.

Back in 1996, I posted on RAS about this:

"Affordable gliders" --
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=pa... l.com&rnum=1

[if this link doesn't work, try doing an advanced search in
groups.google.com with "partnership," JNBearden, and 1996 as the
parameters]

I won't repeat the same stuff here except to say that partnerships,
like marriage, can be difficult and demanding but also very rewarding.
If money is what is holding someone back from acquiring the sailplane
of his or her dreams, winning the lottery or robbing a bank need not
be the only ways to realize that goal.

Chip Bearden
ASW 24 "JB"

But reading RAS I got the impression that partnerships are not common
in the US (hence the interest of many US pilots in cheap - or shall I
say low-budget? - gliders). Is my impression correct?



Bye
Andreas

But reading RAS I got the impression that partnerships are not common
in the US (hence the interest of many US pilots in cheap - or shall I
say low-budget? - gliders). Is my impression correct?

A club member put it to me like this recently: "In this part of the
country (Northeast US) there are only a handful of truly great soaring
days per year. When those days arrive, you don't want to be sitting on
the ground while your partner flies".

Tony V.

"Tony Verhulst" wrote in message
...

But reading RAS I got the impression that partnerships are not common
in the US (hence the interest of many US pilots in cheap - or shall I
say low-budget? - gliders). Is my impression correct?

A club member put it to me like this recently: "In this part of the
country (Northeast US) there are only a handful of truly great soaring
days per year. When those days arrive, you don't want to be sitting on
the ground while your partner flies".

Tony V.

Flying more on the not so great days might make one the greater pilot;^)

Tony Verhulst wrote in message ...
A club member put it to me like this recently: "In this part of the
country (Northeast US) there are only a handful of truly great soaring
days per year. When those days arrive, you don't want to be sitting on
the ground while your partner flies".

Tony V.

Right ! Buy a Duo !
Best Regards, Dave

One reason I prefer to own outright: The possible
partners in a glider ownership are my friends with
whom I want to fly. How do you reconcile this?

Ray Lovinggood
Carrboro, North Carolina, USA
LS1-d, 'W8'

At 16:54 14 November 2004, Robertmudd1u wrote:
But reading RAS I got the impression that partnerships
are not common
in the US (hence the interest of many US pilots in
cheap - or shall I
say low-budget? - gliders). Is my impression correct?
Bye
Andreas

Andreas,
From my experience it think that is correct. Many is
the time I have talked
with pilots who wants to own a glider but can't afford
it. I mention a
partnership and they say ' Oh I could never be in a
partnership'

I am always tempted to ask then just what personality
defect they have that
will not allow them to get along with someone else
and share the fun and cost
of a flying machine.

Well thought out partnerships are a great way to lower
your flying costs and
have a glider of your choice to fly.

Robert Mudd

In article ,
Ray Lovinggood wrote:

One reason I prefer to own outright: The possible
partners in a glider ownership are my friends with
whom I want to fly. How do you reconcile this?

More than one seat?

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