Aviation Safety Counselor's???

"Steve.T" wrote in message
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I have a few suggestions. These are to be done in parallel:

1) Before you go and do a spin in your airplane, make sure that you
have obtained the latest updates to the POH (or equivalent) for your
airplane (by serial number). Review all STCs that have been installed
to see what they have done relative to spins in your aircraft.

Next, read, re-read, and read again what it says to do should you get
into a spin. Now make sure that all the placards are in place in your
aircraft concerning spins.

Already Done.


2) Find a CFI that is familiar with your a/c type that knows how to do
a spin and will teach you recovery. Go there and learn to do it right.

Hard to find someone local that wants to teach spin recovery, If I could
find someone local that wont put me over gross even with 6 gallons of fuel I
would. Its just a thought in my mind right now of doing it alone. I may
never do it but as the names of the instructors that refuse in my little
black book get longer and longer the more I think about just going out and
giving it a try as I have pushed almost every limit of my little 150 already
except spins.

Ummmm...are you looking for a CFI to do some spin training? Do you have
your own aircraft? This whole thread seems to have been diluted to the
point I can't understand it or who is saying what to who!
I am in central Oregon at present, have done literally thousands of
spins as an instructor in a variety of aircraft. What are you trying to
do? Would be happy to help if I can.
Ol Shy & bashful
p.s. I am not free but cost effective

In article . com,
wrote:

Ummmm...are you looking for a CFI to do some spin training? Do you have
your own aircraft? This whole thread seems to have been diluted to the
point I can't understand it or who is saying what to who!

As I read it, this thread is about trying to talk NWPILOT out of going
up on his own, without any instruction, and practicing spins,

If I am wrong I apologise to anyone that I may have offended,
If I am right then I can only say that this is a really dumb thread, and
that NWPILOT should give his head a shake and rethink this whole thing.
You do NOT go practice spins, regardless of any excuses, by anyone,

Tony
C-GICE



I am in central Oregon at present, have done literally thousands of
spins as an instructor in a variety of aircraft. What are you trying to
do? Would be happy to help if I can.
Ol Shy & bashful
p.s. I am not free but cost effective




--

Tony Roberts
PP-ASEL
VFR OTT
Night
Cessna 172H C-GICE

"tony roberts" wrote in message
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In article . com,
wrote:

Ummmm...are you looking for a CFI to do some spin training? Do you have
your own aircraft? This whole thread seems to have been diluted to the
point I can't understand it or who is saying what to who!

As I read it, this thread is about trying to talk NWPILOT out of going
up on his own, without any instruction, and practicing spins,

If I am wrong I apologise to anyone that I may have offended,
If I am right then I can only say that this is a really dumb thread, and
that NWPILOT should give his head a shake and rethink this whole thing.
You do NOT go practice spins, regardless of any excuses, by anyone,

Tony
C-GICE


Tony, It's just a thought I probably will not do it. Just ****es me off that
instructors will deny instruction to people unless you rent the flight
schools airplanes or will be willing to go over gross with min fuel.

Tony
Unfortunately that is the mid set of many today. I did my first spin on
my first solo and found it of enough interest that I did several before
I came back to do the obligatory takeoff and landings. Of course that
was in the 50's when pilots still did spins without the trepidation so
prevelant today. And, of course the aircraft were different then too.
Since then, I have done spins in quite a large variety of aircraft with
and without students. Yes I still go out to practice them.
22,000 hours in general aviation and licensed in both the USA and
Canada
Cheers
Ol Shy & Bashful ATP ASMELS-Rotor IFR/CFII-RAM

Hey
We can go up with short fuel, do the spins, then you can practice a for
real dead stick landing! No big deal except for the paperwork if it
gets screwed up........ggg ;)...

There's also the insurance issue. I don't think you can expect
an instructor to get in a privately owned airplane unless they
are "named insured" on the owner's insurance policy and the
policy provides a level of coverage that the instructor is
comfortable with. (If I was the instructor, I would also want
to know the aircraft's maintenance history, etc.)

As for the 6gal/over gross, I found that comment confusing.
(Unless either this individual or all the instructors they've
talked to are big, heavy types, I would think that the W&B
would be ok with 6gal in the tanks, which would be ok for
a 45min spin trip, I'd think?)

Doing intentional spins when outside the utility W&B limits
is definitely a no no. (The W&B for typical 150s around here
would allow student+instructor+6gal, unless the student and/or
instructor are pretty darn heavy.)

And I'll add my name to the "don't try the first spins on your
own" list, rick

In rec.aviation.owning wrote:
: There's also the insurance issue. I don't think you can expect
: an instructor to get in a privately owned airplane unless they
: are "named insured" on the owner's insurance policy and the
: policy provides a level of coverage that the instructor is
: comfortable with.

Why would you think this? I (and others) have taken instruction in my
(and other) privately owned airplanes without naming anyone additional
on the insurance.
--
Aaron C.

Let me see if I have this straight.

You, minimum fuel, and an instructor are over gross for your plane.

You are not willing to fly under these conditions.

You are ****ed off at the instructor for these reasons.

What, specifically, do you expect the instructor to do about this?


"NW_PILOT" wrote in message
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Tony, It's just a thought I probably will not do it. Just ****es me off
that
instructors will deny instruction to people unless you rent the flight
schools airplanes or will be willing to go over gross with min fuel.

"Steve Foley" wrote in message
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Let me see if I have this straight.

You, minimum fuel, and an instructor are over gross for your plane.

You are not willing to fly under these conditions.

You are ****ed off at the instructor for these reasons.

What, specifically, do you expect the instructor to do about this?

It's just NW pilot; you can't expect him to be rational, either.
--
Jim in NC