All Engines-out Landing Due to Fuel Exhaustion - Air Transat, 24 August2001

Wow... thanks for the scoop...

You realize that this incident has already been reported on extensively
and that there has even been a documentary made about it (shown on the
program "Seconds From Disaster" or something like that.

Scott M. Kozel wrote:
http://www.gpiaa-portugal-report.com/

Accident Investigation Final Report
All Engines-out Landing Due to Fuel Exhaustion
Air Transat
Airbus A330-243 marks C-GITS
Lajes, Azores, Portugal
24 August 2001
Final Investigation Report 22 / ACCID / 2001 18 October 2004

On August 24, 2001, Air Transat Flight TSC236, an Airbus 330-243
aircraft, was on a scheduled flight from Toronto Lester B Pearson
Airport, Ontario (CYYZ), Canada to Lisbon Airport (LPPT), Portugal with
13 crew and 293 passengers on board. At 05:33, the aircraft was at
4244N/2305W when the crew noted a fuel imbalance.

At 05:45, the crew initiated a diversion from the flight-planned route
for a landing at the Lajes Airport (LPLA), Terceira Island in the
Azores. At 05:48, the crew advised Santa Maria Oceanic Control that the
flight was diverting due to a fuel shortage. At 06:13, the crew
notified air traffic control that the right engine (Rolls-Royce RB211
Trent 772B) had flamed out. At 06:26, when the aircraft was about 65
nautical miles from the Lajes airport and at an altitude of about FL
345, the crew reported that the left engine had also flamed out and that
a ditching at sea was possible.

Assisted by radar vectors from Lajes air traffic control, the crew
carried out an engines-out, visual approach, at night and in good visual
weather conditions. The aircraft landed on runway 33 at the Lajes
Airport at 06:45. After the aircraft came to a stop, small fires
started in the area of the left main-gear wheels, but these fires were
immediately extinguished by the crash rescue response vehicles that were
in position for the landing.

The Captain ordered an emergency evacuation; 16 passengers and 2
cabin-crew members received injuries during the emergency evacuation.

The aircraft suffered structural damage to the fuselage and to the main
landing gear.

See the URL for the rest.

Yes, Dave, I saw it on the National Geographic channel a year or so ago.
Personally, I felt impressed - I just could not believe such a plane can
land without engines and total structural damages and passenger toll...
Roman

Dave S wrote:

Wow... thanks for the scoop...

You realize that this incident has already been reported on extensively
and that there has even been a documentary made about it (shown on the
program "Seconds From Disaster" or something like that.

Scott M. Kozel wrote:

http://www.gpiaa-portugal-report.com/

I"m not sure why its such a surprise. The A330 has a great glide ratio.
The pilots had lots of good tools (speed brakes etc) to place their
landing. As I recall, they almost ended up being too high.

-Robert, CFI (Certified Flight Instructor)



Roman Svihorik wrote:
Yes, Dave, I saw it on the National Geographic channel a year or so
ago.
Personally, I felt impressed - I just could not believe such a plane
can
land without engines and total structural damages and passenger
toll...
Roman

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message oups.com...
I"m not sure why its such a surprise. The A330 has a great glide ratio.
The pilots had lots of good tools (speed brakes etc) to place their
landing. As I recall, they almost ended up being too high.

-Robert, CFI (Certified Flight Instructor)




Also gotta have one of these:
http://www.hamiltonsundstrandcorp.co..._PRD30,00.html

Hmm, why...
A great glide ratio - OK. But.
They have just one attempt only. If failed...
The precise calculation, correction maneuvers - I know.
But if mistaken there is no go around.
Considering terrain outside the strip...
Still impressed.

BTW, was that plane written off?
Roman
P.S. Actually, I am the glider sport pilot so I know quite well what it
is about to land without engines :-)
IMHO a jet plane with 300+ passengers aboard hardly be compared to a glider.

Robert M. Gary wrote:
I"m not sure why its such a surprise. The A330 has a great glide ratio.
The pilots had lots of good tools (speed brakes etc) to place their
landing. As I recall, they almost ended up being too high.

-Robert, CFI (Certified Flight Instructor)

Roman Svihorik wrote:
Hmm, why...
A great glide ratio - OK. But.
They have just one attempt only. If failed...
The precise calculation, correction maneuvers - I know.
But if mistaken there is no go around.
Considering terrain outside the strip...
Still impressed.

BTW, was that plane written off?
Roman
P.S. Actually, I am the glider sport pilot so I know quite well what it
is about to land without engines :-)
IMHO a jet plane with 300+ passengers aboard hardly be compared to a
glider.

Robert M. Gary wrote:

I"m not sure why its such a surprise. The A330 has a great glide ratio.
The pilots had lots of good tools (speed brakes etc) to place their
landing. As I recall, they almost ended up being too high.

-Robert, CFI (Certified Flight Instructor)

M.Robert How is your loosing critical engin training ;-) hmmm on the
old twin we have to pumpout the landing or used the emergency gas extent
procedure only one shout, pump out the flaps by hands etc.

What I really mean is no engin give you little functionnality, of
course there is the little wind turbine for electricity to cockpit
instrument and command hydrolic, but if I remember, not speed brake,
no flaps (this will increase your landing speed alot ...), landing gear
out bu no retract ...
I dont think it was so easy ...

"Roman Svihorik" wrote in message
...
Yes, Dave, I saw it on the National Geographic channel a year or so ago.
Personally, I felt impressed - I just could not believe such a plane can
land without engines and total structural damages and passenger toll...
Roman

Just about ANY airplane can be landed safely without
engines, as long as the elevation and glide ratio allow
a long enough glide to reach (and maneuver to) a runway.

All pilots train to make such "dead stick" landings as
a routine part of training, in any type of airplane.

"No Spam"
sednews
"Roman Svihorik" wrote in message
...
Yes, Dave, I saw it on the National Geographic channel a year or so
ago. Personally, I felt impressed - I just could not believe such a
plane can land without engines and total structural damages and
passenger toll... Roman

Just about ANY airplane can be landed safely without
engines, as long as the elevation and glide ratio allow
a long enough glide to reach (and maneuver to) a runway.

All pilots train to make such "dead stick" landings as
a routine part of training, in any type of airplane.

Not including the Osprey, of course, where one of the possibilities put
forward in how to deal with an engine failure was to point a gun at the
pilot's head that would go off in such an eventuality so he wouldn't have
to worry about it.

Bertie




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No Spam wrote:
"Roman Svihorik" wrote in message
...
Yes, Dave, I saw it on the National Geographic channel a year or so
ago.
Personally, I felt impressed - I just could not believe such a
plane can
land without engines and total structural damages and passenger
toll...
Roman

Just about ANY airplane can be landed safely without
engines, as long as the elevation and glide ratio allow
a long enough glide to reach (and maneuver to) a runway.

All pilots train to make such "dead stick" landings as
a routine part of training, in any type of airplane.

As attested to by the 'gimli glider'. Hope 'gimli' is correct, it has
been awhile.

Harry K

"harry k" wrote in message
ups.com...

No Spam wrote:
"Roman Svihorik" wrote in message
...
Yes, Dave, I saw it on the National Geographic channel a year or so
ago.
Personally, I felt impressed - I just could not believe such a
plane can
land without engines and total structural damages and passenger
toll...
Roman

Just about ANY airplane can be landed safely without
engines, as long as the elevation and glide ratio allow
a long enough glide to reach (and maneuver to) a runway.

All pilots train to make such "dead stick" landings as
a routine part of training, in any type of airplane.

As attested to by the 'gimli glider'. Hope 'gimli' is correct, it has
been awhile.

Harry K

Rumor has it U 2's have glided "Several Hundred Miles" & made successful
dead stick landings.
Ralph Nesbitt
Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type
Posting From ADA