All Engines-out Landing Due to Fuel Exhaustion - Air Transat, 24 August2001

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"Bertie the Bunyip" XZXZ@XZXZ.,XZXZX wrote in message
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"No Spam" wrote in message newsgsZd.4290

All pilots train to make such "dead stick" landings as
a routine part of training, in any type of airplane.


Perhaps now they do. If you read the detailed accounts of the "Gimli
Glider" episode when an Air Canada 767 lost both engines to fuel
starvation, the pilot clearly states that their training did *not*
account for the possibility.

Well I had done deadstick landings in the sim looong before that
happened.
And that wasn't the first deadstick jet either.



Bertie

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I think all the commercial passenger jets have a better glide angle than
the
normal glide slope of landing. DC-10 lost all engines off Florida a few
years ago, and landed safely. Mechanic had left the o-rings off the oil
plugs for all the engines.

Was an EAL L1011. A/C was nearly to Nassau on Miami to Nassau leg when 1
engine was shut down due loss of oil pressure. Crew decided to return to
Miami. During return all three engines were out at one time or another due
low oil. All engines were restarted for landing at Miami.

This incident was caused by spare parts storage protocols prior to issuance
to mechanics. The supervisor would gather the chip detectors & O-Rings,
assemble them as individual components that were kept in the supervisors
desk until needed. In this instance the supervisor failed to put the O-Rings
on the chip detectors. The mechanic installed the chip detectors as he found
them in the supervisors desk without O-Rings.
Ralph Nesbitt
Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type
Posting From ADA

This incident was caused by spare parts storage protocols prior to issuance
to mechanics. The supervisor would gather the chip detectors & O-Rings,
assemble them as individual components that were kept in the supervisors
desk until needed. In this instance the supervisor failed to put the O-Rings
on the chip detectors. The mechanic installed the chip detectors as he found
them in the supervisors desk without O-Rings.

Would this be (also) an error on the mechanic's part (failing to check
or notice) or is this something that is not evident to the mechanic who
installs the part?

Jose
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