new owner questions

Forgive me if these are dumb questions, but as a new owner - '75
Sundowner, I'm learning as I go here..

1. If I install a panel mount intercom myself, I need an A&P to agree
to sign the log. True?

2. My nav indicators are a King KI-204 with glideslope and an old
KI-201 or something that is like 30 deg off (2 KX170b's). If I buy a
KI203 on Ebay to match the 204, is it as simple as popping out the old
indicator and pushing in the new one.. will the pins match? Or is this
something I just leave to the local avionics guy?

3. If I replace the wing root seal, do I need an A&P signoff?

Thanks for any help.

For # 2 why don't you have the VOR recalibrated? I think all that is
involved is adjusting a pot behind one of the screw holes. Of course you
need an avionics shop to do it but it doesn't take long.

I might be wrong but I think you do need signoffs for #'s 1 and 3.

Good luck... Maybe Allen Lieberman will pipe in about his Sundowner.

Jon Kraus
PP-ASEL-IA
'79 Mooney 201

kmuller909 wrote:
Forgive me if these are dumb questions, but as a new owner - '75
Sundowner, I'm learning as I go here..

1. If I install a panel mount intercom myself, I need an A&P to agree
to sign the log. True?

2. My nav indicators are a King KI-204 with glideslope and an old
KI-201 or something that is like 30 deg off (2 KX170b's). If I buy a
KI203 on Ebay to match the 204, is it as simple as popping out the old
indicator and pushing in the new one.. will the pins match? Or is this
something I just leave to the local avionics guy?

3. If I replace the wing root seal, do I need an A&P signoff?

Thanks for any help.

kmuller909 wrote:

Forgive me if these are dumb questions, but as a new owner - '75
Sundowner, I'm learning as I go here..

1. If I install a panel mount intercom myself, I need an A&P to agree
to sign the log. True?

Yep. You'd also better check with that A&P -- some FSDOs require a 337 and a
field inspection. When I installed mine, I made prior arrangements with my
avionics tech. He inspected and signed off the work and made the final
connections to the NAV/COM.

3. If I replace the wing root seal, do I need an A&P signoff?

Yep. This is not considered preventative maintenance. Shouldn't need a 337 --
the repair is not major and it's not a modification.

George Patterson
Drink up, Socrates -- it's all-natural.

kmuller909 wrote:
Forgive me if these are dumb questions, but as a new owner - '75
Sundowner, I'm learning as I go here..

1. If I install a panel mount intercom myself, I need an A&P to agree
to sign the log. True?

Yes.


2. My nav indicators are a King KI-204 with glideslope and an old
KI-201 or something that is like 30 deg off (2 KX170b's). If I buy a
KI203 on Ebay to match the 204, is it as simple as popping out the old
indicator and pushing in the new one.. will the pins match? Or is this
something I just leave to the local avionics guy?

Don't know. You sure it's not the KX-170B that's off?


3. If I replace the wing root seal, do I need an A&P signoff?

Yes.


Thanks for any help.

You're welcome.

I was assuming it's the indicator because the 203/208 and 204/209
series have the internal reveivers, unlike some of the others that
require a separate receiver.
I was leaning towards replacing the old indicator with a KI203 so it
would match my newer Ki 204 which is the same thing with glide slope.
These have the moving bar instead of the pivoting needle.
The units have a bunch of pins in the back. I was curious if the
change over amounts to pulling out the old indicator and pushing in the
new one until the pins seat.

George Patterson wrote:
3. If I replace the wing root seal, do I need an A&P signoff?

Yep. This is not considered preventative maintenance. Shouldn't need a 337 --
the repair is not major and it's not a modification.

I assume he's talking about the large rubber seal at the wing root of a
Cherokee. Personally, I'd consider that in the same catagory as other
non-structural fairings that owners are allowed to remove/replace.

--- Jay


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On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 17:37:42 GMT, Jon Kraus wrote:

Good luck... Maybe Allen Lieberman will pipe in about his Sundowner.

Now Jon, what in the world would make you think I would pipe in *big
smile*.

Kmuller,

Welcome to the beech baby family. I love my 1976 Sundowner. I
affectionately call mine a Slowdowner as it won't get you there fast, but
it will get you there comfortable!

If you have not done so, be sure to get some CFI time with you in your
Sundowner. Landing a Sundowner is not like landing a Cessna! Speed is
your enemy on landing.

In regards to your questions:

1. If I install a panel mount intercom myself, I need an A&P to agree
to sign the log. True?

I would think yes, you need an avionics A&P signoff. There sure is lots of
wires that come in and out of that intercom system.

2. My nav indicators are a King KI-204 with glideslope and an old
KI-201 or something that is like 30 deg off (2 KX170b's). If I buy a
KI203 on Ebay to match the 204, is it as simple as popping out the old
indicator and pushing in the new one.. will the pins match? Or is this
something I just leave to the local avionics guy?

Unless you are really sure the Nav 1 and 2 are so out of wack to replace,
why not get them calibrated by your avionics guy. To be quite honest, I
personally would not buy anything from Ebay where my hide's safety in the
clag is concerned. When I upgrade my avionics in my Sundowner, it will
come new with a warranty.

3. If I replace the wing root seal, do I need an A&P signoff?

I would think an A&P would be needed for this operation.

In my humble opinion, when it comes to repairs in my plane, I will not
cheap out.

A good quality A&P - $50.00 an hour where I live.
My hide - priceless.

Allen

You'll also possibly need new weight & balance calculations done on the
audio panel install (depends).


"kmuller909" wrote in message
ups.com...
Forgive me if these are dumb questions, but as a new owner - '75
Sundowner, I'm learning as I go here..

1. If I install a panel mount intercom myself, I need an A&P to agree
to sign the log. True?

2. My nav indicators are a King KI-204 with glideslope and an old
KI-201 or something that is like 30 deg off (2 KX170b's). If I buy a
KI203 on Ebay to match the 204, is it as simple as popping out the old
indicator and pushing in the new one.. will the pins match? Or is this
something I just leave to the local avionics guy?

3. If I replace the wing root seal, do I need an A&P signoff?

Thanks for any help.

Forgive me if these are dumb questions, but as a new owner - '75
Sundowner, I'm learning as I go here..

Welcome to the wonderful world of aircraft ownership.

Rule #1: There are NO dumb questions here, because almost everything about
owning an aircraft is counterintuitive. Up is down, black is white, and the
FAA is here to help. ;-)

1. If I install a panel mount intercom myself, I need an A&P to agree
to sign the log. True?

True. Although a previous owner of my plane got around that (sort of) by
using two sheet metal screws to attach a portable intercom to the underside
lip of the panel. (That went out in the trash within a month, in favor of
the panel-mount PS Engineering Intercom/CD player. Which I highly
recommend, BTW.)

2. My nav indicators are a King KI-204 with glideslope and an old
KI-201 or something that is like 30 deg off (2 KX170b's). If I buy a
KI203 on Ebay to match the 204, is it as simple as popping out the old
indicator and pushing in the new one.. will the pins match? Or is this
something I just leave to the local avionics guy?

Are you planning on flying IFR with this aircraft? Do you REALLY want to
slide down an "Ebay Glideslope" in the clag? Some things just cost money,
man; let the avionics shop have a whack at this one.

3. If I replace the wing root seal, do I need an A&P signoff?

If you mean that black rubber thingy at the wing root, no. If you mean some
sort of a speed fairing wing root seal, yes.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"kmuller909" wrote in message
ups.com...
Forgive me if these are dumb questions, but as a new owner - '75
Sundowner, I'm learning as I go here..

1. If I install a panel mount intercom myself, I need an A&P to agree
to sign the log. True?

2. My nav indicators are a King KI-204 with glideslope and an old
KI-201 or something that is like 30 deg off (2 KX170b's). If I buy a
KI203 on Ebay to match the 204, is it as simple as popping out the old
indicator and pushing in the new one.. will the pins match? Or is this
something I just leave to the local avionics guy?



The indicators are not pin compatible. Have you tried swappping the radios
to see if the problem is there?

Mike
MU-2