Theft From Baggage-Continental

Larry Dighera wrote:
Why would you want to malign a fellow Texas pilot?

Have you two met off-usenet?

Who said that "arrogant" and "asshole" were insults? snicker

On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 17:34:12 GMT, George Patterson
wrote in ::



Larry Dighera wrote:

I see neither Mr. Grumman's (valid) e-mail address nor tail number
there. Can you point either of them out for me?

Tail number is 581. As in "Podunk tower, this is Grumman 581."


How do you know it's not: NXX581?

On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 17:31:36 GMT, Larry Dighera wrote:

Here's the header:

Path:

bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net!wnmaster12!wns14feed!wor ldnet.att.net!attbi_s52.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail
From: "Grumman-581"
^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
References: 52N1e.113072$Ze3.13657@attbi_s51

Subject: Theft From Baggage-Continental
Lines: 14
Organization: Replace ### with my tail number to reply
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
(...)

I see neither Mr. Grumman's (valid) e-mail address nor tail number
there. Can you point either of them out for me?

only if you don't read Grumman-581 not as (part of) his tailnumber (N-581).


#m
--
It's not like I'm a terrorist or a hair dresser or anything.
http://www.ensight.org/archives/2005...ion/trackback/

On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 17:34:12 GMT, George Patterson
wrote in ::



Larry Dighera wrote:

I see neither Mr. Grumman's (valid) e-mail address nor tail number
there. Can you point either of them out for me?

Tail number is 581. As in "Podunk tower, this is Grumman 581."


In response to e-mail from Grumman-581, I replied:


-----------------------------------------
Sir:

First, let me say that I agree with your assessment of anonymously
posted articles. Anonymity fosters irresponsibility.

My comments in-line below:


On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 18:22:59 -0000, you wrote
. com:

Larry Dighera wrote:
How do you know it's not: NXX581?

Because XX581 would not fit on my tail with 12" letters?

How am I supposed to know that your aircraft is not large enough to
display the normal 5-character registration number? Where is that
fact stated?

Because I didn't say, Grumman XX581?

As you know, after initial contact, ATC refers to most GA aircraft by
the last three characters of their registration number, so it is
reasonable that you may be only using that part of your registration
number in your e-mail address. It is also possible that Grumman-581
may refer to an aircraft type and not a registration number at all;
after all, it contains no initial 'N' to provide a clue that it is
actually an FAA registration number.

You wouldn't prehaps be an FAA controller, would you?

Nope. I'm just a fellow airman.

Many of them seem to have a problem with the concept of "small plane, small number"
also...

I failed to notice in your articles posted to rec.aviation.piloting
any reference to the fact that you own a small sized aircraft. Are
you able to provide a citation where that information is readily
apparent?

I'm not trying to be difficult, but only pointing out that there is a
bit of ambiguity if not a modicum of presumption in expecting folks to
interpret Grumman-581 as an FAA registration number.


Best regards,
Larry Dighera


PS: I have used my correct e-mail address on Usenet since first
posting articles in 1985. I choose not to grant the e-mail harvesting
'bots the power to coerce me into intentionally introducing errors in
my e-mail address.

Nomen Nescio wrote:

OK, I'm using Google Groups right now and your domain is not getting
stripped, so I'll reply...

Everything I said in my reply, I would say to your face. What was it
that
offended you about the reply?

Actually, nothing about the reply... I just hate the anonymous ****s
who refuse to take responsibility for their actions... Why don't you do
a search on Google Groups for all messages by "Nomen Nescio" and see if
you agree with every one of them, because by using that anonymous
remailer, you are associating yourself with them...

Of particular note is the following:
"Note: The author of this message requested that it not be archived.
This message will be removed from Groups in 6 days (Apr 4, 11:40 am)."

Not willing to allow your comments to stay around for any length of
time even when you're hiding behind an anonymous remailer?

I see discussions on usenet as being similar to conversations with
strangers
at a party....I rarely tell anyone anything except my first name and
almost
never give someone my address, phone number, e-mail, etc.

So, do that on USENET also... Plenty of people use monikers on USENET
and thus don't reveal their real names... If the person is causing
enough problems, someone might go to the effort to report them to their
ISP to see if their actions violate the ISP's TOS...

You're probably not familiar with PGP Signatures.

Yeah, I'm familiar with them... I've had DoD certs... Can't get much
more nonrepudiation than that...

Would you care to post your full name, address, phone number, SS#,
etc. to
prove that you truly are unconcerned about your privacy? I thought
not.

Nawh, I make you have to look it up on the FAA database... It's got
most of that in the various databases... SSNs are not made public
anymore... Which is just as well, it's just so inconvenient having to
dispose of the bodies of those individuals who attempt identity
theft... Especially since I'm up in Cedar Rapids these days and there
aren't any gators around...

And YES, I would say everything I've written here to your face.

You might be one of the few individuals who use anonymous remailers who
can say that... Why then would you thus want to associate yourself with
such a bunch of cowardly ****s?

Just another of the reasons why commercial airlines are in such sick shape today.
Little old ladies poked and prodded and have their tweezers confiscated.... etc.

Maybe a bit of an exaggeration, but not much.

I just hate the anonymous ****s
who refuse to take responsibility for their actions...

One reason for anonymity is the other ****s who will track somebody down
and do violence (in meatspace or cyberspace) to those whose opinions
they object to strenuously enough. It's a two edged sword. Even our
founding fathers "posted" anonymously at times.

Jose
--
Get high on gasoline: fly an airplane.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

Jose wrote:
One reason for anonymity is the other ****s who will track somebody
down
and do violence (in meatspace or cyberspace) to those whose opinions
they object to strenuously enough. It's a two edged sword.

Then one should either be prepared to defend their position at all
times or not let their mouth get them in a situation that they can't
handle... If you start spamming a group from your real account, you
have a level of accountability in that someone might just be ****ed off
enough to report you to your ISP and you'll get your account
cancelled... By posting via an anonymous remailer, you are saying that
you don't have to have responsibility for your actions... If it is
worth saying then you should stand behind what you said...

Then one should either be prepared to defend their position at all
times or not let their mouth get them in a situation that they can't
handle.

One should always be prepared to defend one's position intellectually.
One shouldn't have to defend it bodily.

If you start spamming a group

We're not necessarily talking about spam. That's not the only reason
people use anonymity. Posting (on-topic) opinions with which some
people have violent disagreements is another. While that may not happen
here, it is not unheard of on the rest of the net.

Jose
--
Get high on gasoline: fly an airplane.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

Larry,

We have conversed on the newsgroup before...
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...e0369e21ef8686
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...21aa9cfe6 635
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...2ac56f847 95c
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...da2fbf923 232

Some were before I started using my aircraft type and tail number in my
posts...

First, let me say that I agree with your assessment of anonymously
posted articles. Anonymity fosters irresponsibility.

Agreed... That might not be the case with the one currently on r.a.p.,
but he has the same posting name as all the other anonymous cowards
that are trolls at best and as such, not worth reading... By
continuing to use that posting name, he has linked himself with them
and I don't think that they are really the types that one would want
to be associated with...

How am I supposed to know that your aircraft is not large enough to
display the normal 5-character registration number? Where is that
fact stated?

A simple Google search would bring up a lot of posts from me... In
some of them, you'll even find my real name and where my plane was
based at that point in time... Because of my profession, the location
of the plane changes, but I try to keep the FAA database updated with
the latest info...

As you know, after initial contact, ATC refers to most GA aircraft by
the last three characters of their registration number, so it is
reasonable that you may be only using that part of your registration
number in your e-mail address.

Perhaps, but if one wants to ensure that they have an email address
that is not used by anyone, one should use their full registration
number...

It is also possible that Grumman-581 may refer to an aircraft
type and not a registration number at all; after all, it contains
no initial 'N' to provide a clue that it is actually an FAA
registration number.

Awh, come on Larry, you're being intentionally obtuse... grin

I failed to notice in your articles posted to rec.aviation.piloting
any reference to the fact that you own a small sized aircraft. Are
you able to provide a citation where that information is readily
apparent?

Google search will show that it is an AA5A... You might even find a
link to a photo of it...
Since I move around a bit, some of those links might not be active
anymore... here's a link that is valid right now...
http://s-h-c.frwh.net/Misc-Images/n581-nm.jpg

PS: I have used my correct e-mail address on Usenet since first
posting articles in 1985. I choose not to grant the e-mail harvesting
'bots the power to coerce me into intentionally introducing errors in
my e-mail address.

I was getting a lot of virus emails at one time, so I started
obfuscating my email address slightly... At one time, I was changing
it monthly just to **** with the email harvesters... I would use an
address like so that the year and month
was specified in the email address... It was especially good for when
I had to sign up for something which I didn't want return spam...

Mike Shelley
(Replace ### with my tail number to reply)
319-295-9453 (office)
3191 9th St., #6
Marion, IA 52302