Have you ever...

...refused to fly with someone you felt was not entirely safe?
(With that
person acting as PIC, not as a passenger in your own plane.)

No but I would have if I know what I know now. At the time I
had solo'd and nothing else.

Ha! I hadn't even *thought* of that, but now that you mention it...

One of Mary's uncles took us flying in a rental Cessna back in the
early 80s. None of us were aware that he had his pilot's license (a
point that should have seemed odd to me at the time...), but we were
thrilled to go flying with him.

Well, more accurately, *I* was thrilled to go flying. Mary, at the
time, was ambivalent toward flying.

We took off and had a very enjoyable flight over central Wisconsin.
The flight orginated from a small, uncontrolled airport, so there was
no traffic or tower to deal with -- but in retrospect I don't remember
him using the radio at all. And, with 20/20 hindsight, his approach
speeds were very fast, and he floated forever on landing. We knew
nothing (this was actually my first flight in a small plane), but I was
ecstatic to be airborne.

Only much later, when I began flight training, did I casually do some
checking on him, just to see what his ratings were. Imagine my
surprise when I discovered he wasn't listed as a pilot at all!

This guy was always the "wild uncle" -- motorcycling across Europe,
traveling the world with a back pack and a smile, never having a pot to
pee in but living extravagantly -- and I suppose he took a few flight
lessons and decided that he already knew what he needed to know...

I shudder to think about it now...

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
oups.com...
Only much later, when I began flight training, did I casually do some
checking on him, just to see what his ratings were. Imagine my
surprise when I discovered he wasn't listed as a pilot at all!

He learned from Darwin... One of the best (and most unforgiving)
instructors... Just remember, which came first, pilots or the FAA/CAA?

There were many pilots trained during WWII who did not apply for
civilian pilot licenses who continued to fly as civilians following
their separation from service. My father was one of them. He had flown
single engine seaplanes up through multiengine piston transports, but
never bothered to get an FAA certificate.

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
Only much later, when I began flight training, did I casually do some
checking on him, just to see what his ratings were. Imagine my
surprise when I discovered he wasn't listed as a pilot at all!

Grumman-581 wrote:
He learned from Darwin... One of the best (and most unforgiving)
instructors... Just remember, which came first, pilots or the FAA/CAA?

Ha! I hadn't even *thought* of that, but now that you mention it...

One of Mary's uncles took us flying....
Only much later, when I began flight training, did I casually do some
checking on him, just to see what his ratings were. Imagine my
surprise when I discovered he wasn't listed as a pilot at all!

Wow. And your related to this guy. ;-) I'm never going in a plane
with you. And if you come out west please notify the FCC to put
up a NOTAM.

Your story sounds like some of the "accidents" on the NTSB website.
I put accident in quotes because any time a person without a license
goes flying and crashes it's no accident. That is expected as it
is almost intentional. Looking back I'm sure you shake your head.
I do it with this friend of a friend in Germany. He's a statistic
waiting to happen.

Gerald

Wow. And your related to this guy. ;-)

Only by marriage!

And if you come out west please notify the FCC to put
up a NOTAM.

I know my radio procedures aren't perfect, but can they really put out
NOTAMs?

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote:
And if you come out west please notify the FCC to put
up a NOTAM.
I know my radio procedures aren't perfect, but can they really put out
NOTAMs?
;-)


Oh I meant a NOTAM on the newsgroup and not a FSS NOTAM.

Gerald

"G. Sylvester" wrote in message

.......any time a person without a license
goes flying and crashes it's no accident. That is expected as it
is almost intentional.

Yes. A person who flies without benefit of a Pilot Certificate is by
definition unsafe. The rules say so. And all our acquaintances who
dutifully carry their carefully laminated certificates are, of course, good
and safe pilots because their certificates are on their persons.

sigh.....

"John Gaquin" wrote in message
...

"G. Sylvester" wrote in message

.......any time a person without a license
goes flying and crashes it's no accident. That is expected as it
is almost intentional.

Yes. A person who flies without benefit of a Pilot Certificate is by
definition unsafe. The rules say so.

Yes, the person who disregards the rules of licensing will, naturally,
dutifully obey the other rules of flying.

And all our acquaintances who
dutifully carry their carefully laminated certificates are, of course,
good
and safe pilots because their certificates are on their persons.

The operative word here is "intent".

Matt,

Yes, the person who disregards the rules of licensing will, naturally,
dutifully obey the other rules of flying.


Nah, only those that make _sense_, not the superflous (sp?) guvnmint
stuff - see?

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

"Jay Honeck" wrote

This guy was always the "wild uncle" -- motorcycling across Europe,
traveling the world with a back pack and a smile, never having a pot to
pee in but living extravagantly -- and I suppose he took a few flight
lessons and decided that he already knew what he needed to know...

I shudder to think about it now...

I wonder how many people are flying without ever having their ticket, or
have been flying for years since they were legal. I hear of a guy around my
area who has not had a medical for 15 years.
--
Jim in NC