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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
I don't know what his route was, but thirty minutes earlier he was probably over land east of the lake. No, he would have been well offshore. The lake is about 80 nm wide at that point, and that's if you're traveling straight across. The news said he would have been swimming against a 3 knot headwind, so he was fighting higher winds at altitude. Unless his Archer could true at least 175 knots, he was over water 30 minutes earlier. George Patterson There's plenty of room for all of God's creatures. Right next to the mashed potatoes. |
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![]() "George Patterson" wrote in message news:[email protected] Weather considerations perhaps? I remember crossing the lake twice because the area around Chicago was IMC with T-storms for a week. I don't think so. We had high winds in the region over the weekend but no significant weather. |
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James Robinson wrote:
Given the time of the accident (close to midnight) I'm curious about where he might have dropped in for fuel along the way at that time of night. Grand Rapids is probably the closest to his route on the east side of the lake. He would've passed right over Muskegon, but it closes at 9:00. George Patterson There's plenty of room for all of God's creatures. Right next to the mashed potatoes. |
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Amen brother... I don't believe in coincidences any more nor am I a
religious zealot... I just KNOW that I am being cared for... :-) JK Gene Seibel wrote: Certainly a leading candidate in my book for who placed it there. ![]() -- Gene Seibel Gene & Sue's Aeroplanes - http://pad39a.com/gene/planes.html Because we fly, we envy no one. |
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Matt Barrow wrote:
Has anyone ever seen a small inflatable raft (2-4 person) that would be small enough to carry onboard an aircraft? Yep. There are lots of them on the market. In a situation such as this, even the cheapest stuff sold at the local Sports Authority would've been a life saver. George Patterson There's plenty of room for all of God's creatures. Right next to the mashed potatoes. |
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![]() "George Patterson" wrote in message news:[email protected] No, he would have been well offshore. The lake is about 80 nm wide at that point, and that's if you're traveling straight across. The news said he would have been swimming against a 3 knot headwind, so he was fighting higher winds at altitude. Unless his Archer could true at least 175 knots, he was over water 30 minutes earlier. You might want to run that problem again. On a direct route from Hamilton NY to Watertown WI the lake is about 68 nm wide, not 80. According to the NTSB he went down six miles east of the lakeshore, so the dry tanks point was a few miles further east and dependant on altitude. He probably crossed about 55-60 miles of the lake. The book cruise speed of the Archer II is 139 ktas but he was probably achieving something a bit less than that. The winds at altitude are also unknown. He may have been over water 30 minutes prior to engine stoppage, but he was certainly not well offshore. |
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![]() "Jon Kraus" wrote in message ... Sounds like the grace of God to me... Well placed bit of turbulence my ass.... Somone was looking out for you... Maybe...but I was over the eastern slope of the Rockies, so turbulence is rather common that time of day. Even at 10,500 I was only about 2000 feet AGL when roused from my slumber. There are loads of stories about pilots that fell asleep and wound up in farmers fields. Usually, they were several hundred miles from their destinations when they ran out of fuel and woke up in time to deadstick it in. I also recall pilots that dozed off and flew out over the ocean, only to run out far from shore. I recall one that woke up when he was maybe 300 miles out over the Atlantic and when he woke he had enough fuel left for about 100 miles (not sure of the numbers, but a similar ratio). Even though he was in contact with ATC for quite a few minutes, and they got a good triangulation on him, they never found the wreckage. I wonder how many CFIT crashes were pilots falling asleep. OTOH, our family doctor (Dr. Shad was his name...funny the things you remember) when I was a kid (maybe 8 or so) had a plane and disappeared over Lake Michigan near Chicago while returning from somewhere back east. That was the early 60's. Jon Kraus '79 Mooney 201 Gene Seibel wrote: That's one I haven't done. Came close to sleeping when Sue was flying the other day, but even that is difficult for me. That well placed bit of turbulence was certainly a good thing for you. A "Lifesaver" you could say! :~) -- Gene Seibel Tales of Flight - http://pad39a.com/gene/tales.html Because I fly, I envy no one. |
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Jon Kraus wrote:
Amen brother... I don't believe in coincidences any more nor am I a religious zealot... I just KNOW that I am being cared for... :-) So, who was caring for that 20 year-old who ditched in the lake? -- Peter ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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![]() "Peter R." wrote in message ... Jon Kraus wrote: Amen brother... I don't believe in coincidences any more nor am I a religious zealot... I just KNOW that I am being cared for... :-) So, who was caring for that 20 year-old who ditched in the lake? Whoever it was, they musta been on a break! |
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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
You might want to run that problem again. On a direct route from Hamilton NY to Watertown WI the lake is about 68 nm wide, not 80. I've measured the sectional three times now. He went down just east of Milwaukee, and I get 81 nm from Milwaukee to the east bank. George Patterson There's plenty of room for all of God's creatures. Right next to the mashed potatoes. |
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