When to acknowledge ATC

A Guy Called Tyketto wrote:

If ATC tells you to remain outside you have to remain outside, whay
requires you to read it back?


Because if you don't read it back, they have no way to know
that you have acknowledged their call to you.

Believe me, if ATC gives me an instruction and unless I respond to
the contrary they assume that I've heard and will comply. The sole
exception to this is runway hold-short/crossing restrictions.


Where's the requirement for radar contact? Where's the requirement for a
readback?


For class C, they will always tell you 'radar contact
location, say altitude'

No they won't. Not in any stretch. They'll only tell you radar
contact if you are indeed in radar contact. This usually happens
after a transponder code is issued etc.... None of this has anything
to do with your operating in class C airspace.

Class B, they'll tell you 'radar contact
location, cleared through/into xxx Class B airspace' along with an
altimeter setting for the major airport in their area.

Again, RADAR CONTACT is a different concept from either the clearance
or the altimeter setting. The altimeter setting will be that of what
they are using (which may or may not be associated with an airport).

That is a
requirement for ATC to give you when entering Class B or C airspace.
See the 7110.65, sections 5-3-1 through 5-3-6. There's the requirement.
If they tell you to remain outside a given airspace, you had best
readback that you are remaining outside that airspace. 7-9-2 gives
leeway for the readback.

No, those sections don't have anything to do with entering airspace.
This is again a fundamental issue you seem to fail to want to
understand. Radar service is a service. The airspace indicates
where you might expect to find it, but the authorization to operate
in any given airspace is NOT dependent on RADAR SERVICES being offered.
I've operated out of the primary airport of a CLASS B airspace with
NO RADAR SERVICE POSSIBLE (my transponder was out and their primary
radar was out at the same time).

"Ron Natalie"
A Guy Called Tyketto wrote:

If ATC tells you to remain outside you have to remain outside, whay
requires you to read it back?

Because if you don't read it back, they have no way to know
that you have acknowledged their call to you.

Believe me, if ATC gives me an instruction and unless I respond to
the contrary they assume that I've heard and will comply. The sole
exception to this is runway hold-short/crossing restrictions.

I assume you mean that you only acknowledge the transmission. Or are you
saying that an instruction to change heading, climb, descend etc. won't
provoke a followup response of you don't respond? Traffic alerts? I hear
ATC say the call sign and their facility name all the time to pilots who
don't respond to transmissions quire frequently.


Where's the requirement for radar contact? Where's the requirement for a
readback?

Class B, they'll tell you 'radar contact
location, cleared through/into xxx Class B airspace' along with an
altimeter setting for the major airport in their area.

Again, RADAR CONTACT is a different concept from either the clearance
or the altimeter setting. The altimeter setting will be that of what
they are using (which may or may not be associated with an airport).

Of course. What's the "major airport" in NYC airspace?

That is a
requirement for ATC to give you when entering Class B or C airspace.
See the 7110.65, sections 5-3-1 through 5-3-6. There's the requirement.
If they tell you to remain outside a given airspace, you had best
readback that you are remaining outside that airspace. 7-9-2 gives
leeway for the readback.

No, those sections don't have anything to do with entering airspace.
This is again a fundamental issue you seem to fail to want to understand.
Radar service is a service. The airspace indicates
where you might expect to find it, but the authorization to operate
in any given airspace is NOT dependent on RADAR SERVICES being offered.
I've operated out of the primary airport of a CLASS B airspace with
NO RADAR SERVICE POSSIBLE (my transponder was out and their primary radar
was out at the same time).

Correct, unless otherwise indicated. Some control zones require Mode C.

moo

"Happy Dog" wrote in message
. ..

Correct, unless otherwise indicated. Some control zones require Mode C.


We don't have control zones in the US, haven't had them for almost twelve
years now. When we did have them none of them required Mode C.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in
Correct, unless otherwise indicated. Some control zones require Mode C.

We don't have control zones in the US, haven't had them for almost twelve
years now. When we did have them none of them required Mode C.

As I said in a previous post, I'm from Canada. We have them and some
require Mode C.

moo

"Happy Dog" wrote in message
. ..

As I said in a previous post, I'm from Canada.

You'd probably do well to make that distinction when you post.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in

As I said in a previous post, I'm from Canada.

You'd probably do well to make that distinction when you post.

Why? Is this an exclusively US NG? Is it assumed that people are posting
from the USA unless they make it known otherwise?

moo

"Happy Dog" wrote in message
. ..

Why?


For clarity.



Is this an exclusively US NG?


Nope.



Is it assumed that people are posting from the USA unless they make it
known otherwise?


Pretty much, yup. Especially when the quoted material in a message includes
US publications as yours did.

On Sat, 07 May 2005 21:23:35 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote in
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"Happy Dog" wrote in message
...

As I said in a previous post, I'm from Canada.

You'd probably do well to make that distinction when you post.


Mr. Dog does make his location reasonably known. If you look at the
'From' header of his articles:

From: "Happy Dog"

You'll note the domain of his e-mail address is: sympatico.ca

You're probably aware that '.ca' domain names indicate their location
to be Canada.

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
...

Mr. Dog does make his location reasonably known. If you look at the
'From' header of his articles:

From: "Happy Dog"

You'll note the domain of his e-mail address is: sympatico.ca

You're probably aware that '.ca' domain names indicate their location
to be Canada.


His location does not necessarily mean he's speaking about Canadian
procedures. Many Canadian pilots operate in the US regularly. He entered a
discussion where US procedures were being discussed and spoke of Canadian
procedures without identifying his comments as such. Bad form.

On Sat, 07 May 2005 20:48:12 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:

Correct, unless otherwise indicated. Some control zones require Mode C.


We don't have control zones in the US, haven't had them for almost twelve
years now. When we did have them none of them required Mode C.

Well, we have Mode C zones! There's a big ring around Boston that I
generally avoid, though I am legal to fly through it without a
transponder.


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