Discussion on dealing with future ADIZ Incursions by light A/C

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"Dudley Henriques" dhenriques@noware .net wrote in message
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I can tell you one thing for sure, and the equation doesn't require a
bomb to go off either.
You can take it to the bank that the government has considered the sheer
propaganda value to the terrorist movement of a single aircraft, GA or
otherwise, managing to slip through these restricted areas and crash as a
simple suicide into ANY valuable American target. The effect of this
happening would be like an adrenalin shot for the terrorist world.
The government absolutely can NOT allow this to happen and will most
likely take every conceivable precaution to prevent just such an
occurrence from taking place.
I'm afraid it's not going to be a very "happy time" for General Aviation
as these threat options are considered and acted upon.
Personally, I think what's out there now is just the tip of a very big
"government control"iceberg.
Dudley Henriques


No, if an aircraft managed to crash in to something, then the folks in
gov'ment would spin it into some deranged individual acting alone or
similar; they would be absolutely sure to make it a non-terrorist event...

In this case the answer would be "yes" wouldn't it? :-) No doubt the
government would spin it. In fact, they would do everything in their power
to negate the terrorist's mission.
Spinning it is just one possible option the government would use to take the
sting out of the propaganda value terrorists would most certainly be present
if the pilot of such a mission was indeed a terrorist.
I honestly believe these last two in that 150 came within a hair's breath of
being shot down. The next one to wander into one of these areas might not be
so lucky!
Dudley Henriques

Dudley Henriques wrote:

I honestly believe these last two in that 150 came within a hair's breath of
being shot down. The next one to wander into one of these areas might not be
so lucky!

I've seen photos of Phalanx batteries being installed in the city. Probably just
a matter of time.

George Patterson
There's plenty of room for all of God's creatures. Right next to the
mashed potatoes.

("George Patterson" wrote)
I've seen photos of Phalanx batteries being installed in the city.
Probably just a matter of time.


Great system. Many things going up in the Cessna's general direction. So
what happens to those projectiles that miss the little Cessna?


Montblack

"Montblack" wrote in message
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("George Patterson" wrote)
I've seen photos of Phalanx batteries being installed in the city.
Probably just a matter of time.


Great system. Many things going up in the Cessna's general direction. So
what happens to those projectiles that miss the little Cessna?


Montblack

From what I understand, It's been considered and factored into the equation.
Hit or miss, the order to destruct WILL be issued at a certain point.
Each time this happens, the trigger finger squeezes just a little bit more.
There are rational military people on the job when this happens who have
been given a certain amount of empowerment to take reasonable steps if in
doubt..as was the case with this Cessna, but there is a "go" point within
the perimeter that if reached, the decision becomes automatic and will NOT
be reversed. If some clod wanders in deep enough to reach that point,
collateral damage is no longer the issue. It's been factored in as
"acceptable loss".
This is not the same world that it was before 9-11.
Dudley Henriques

"Dudley Henriques" dhenriques@noware .net wrote in message
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This is not the same world that it was before 9-11.


Actually, it is. We are just trying very hard to pretend it is not.

There was terrorism before 9/11. There were nuclear bombs, ground wars, air
wars, genocide, many *hundreds* of thousands of people killed on side or
another. There were oppressive dictators and benevolent democracies. There
were the nourished, the privileged, and the starving. There were civil
airliners shot down. There were the "just" wars, and there were the imperial
oppressions.

There were air blitzes on cities and countryside, with thousands dying.

What is so different now?

In article , Icebound wrote:
There was terrorism before 9/11.

Indeed. I've lived most of my life (and got on with it) with 'the
shadow of terror'. In fact, news of yet another bomb from either the IRA
or one of the loyalist paramilitaries was so common place it barely
registered with me at one point.

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
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"Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

"Icebound" wrote in message
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"Dudley Henriques" dhenriques@noware .net wrote in message
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This is not the same world that it was before 9-11.


Actually, it is. We are just trying very hard to pretend it is not.

There was terrorism before 9/11. There were nuclear bombs, ground wars,
air
wars, genocide, many *hundreds* of thousands of people killed on side or
another. There were oppressive dictators and benevolent democracies.
There
were the nourished, the privileged, and the starving. There were civil
airliners shot down. There were the "just" wars, and there were the
imperial
oppressions.

There were air blitzes on cities and countryside, with thousands dying.

What is so different now?

What is different is the U.S. government got involved and as it always does
in such situations its responds by punishing its law abiding citizens.

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"Icebound" wrote in message
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"Dudley Henriques" dhenriques@noware .net wrote in message
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...snip...
This is not the same world that it was before 9-11.


Actually, it is. We are just trying very hard to pretend it is not.

There was terrorism before 9/11. There were nuclear bombs, ground wars,
air
wars, genocide, many *hundreds* of thousands of people killed on side
or
another. There were oppressive dictators and benevolent democracies.
There
were the nourished, the privileged, and the starving. There were civil
airliners shot down. There were the "just" wars, and there were the
imperial
oppressions.

There were air blitzes on cities and countryside, with thousands dying.

What is so different now?

What is different is the U.S. government got involved and as it always
does
in such situations its responds by punishing its law abiding citizens.

And the US government is alone in this?

"Icebound" wrote in message
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"Dudley Henriques" dhenriques@noware .net wrote in message
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...snip...
This is not the same world that it was before 9-11.


Actually, it is. We are just trying very hard to pretend it is not.

There was terrorism before 9/11. There were nuclear bombs, ground wars,
air wars, genocide, many *hundreds* of thousands of people killed on side
or another. There were oppressive dictators and benevolent democracies.
There were the nourished, the privileged, and the starving. There were
civil airliners shot down. There were the "just" wars, and there were the
imperial oppressions.

There were air blitzes on cities and countryside, with thousands dying.

What is so different now?

All of the above is true, but 9-11 changed everything anyway.

The same things are still going on; it's just that enough people were
temporarily paying attention after 9-11 that the politicians had to take
notice.
I have no doubt that given enough time without another hit.....based on past
experience......we will probably as a nation go right back into the same
denial and ignore mode we were in before 9-11.
Dudley Henriques

"George Patterson" wrote in message
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Dudley Henriques wrote:

I honestly believe these last two in that 150 came within a hair's breath
of being shot down. The next one to wander into one of these areas might
not be so lucky!

I've seen photos of Phalanx batteries being installed in the city.
Probably just a matter of time.

George Patterson
There's plenty of room for all of God's creatures. Right next to the
mashed potatoes.

George, can you point me to a site for these photos? As far as I know,
the Phalanx weapon system was never configured for ground operation, except
for some live range testing conducted at the Naval Air Warfare Center
Weapons Division.