GA headed for regulatory trouble

Acording to the news reports, he cancelled IFR and/or squawked VFR before
this happened. If it was for weather, it would seem kind of odd for him to
do that. Usually an aircraft with weather issues is left in the IFR system.
However, I suppose an unavoidable separation conflict could have required an
IFR cancellation to avoid a violation of the separation kind. Anyone out
there ever experience a similar situation (non-ADIZ, T-storm, traffic
problem)?

Marco Leon

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
newsiUwe.104671$_o.40806@attbi_s71...
We as pilots would have to support it. Less incursions is safer for
us
(the aviation community)

Why do I find it hard to believe that a King Air 300 "accidentally"
penetrated the ADIZ? I just flew in that ADIZ a couple of weeks ago,
and
it's hard to imagine "accidentally" entering this incredibly well-marked,
highly defended piece of territory.

Personally, I'll bet when all the evidence is examined we will find that
the
pilot diverted for weather (as stated), that the local controller knew
this,
and that somehow that information didn't get passed around to the
appropriate controllers.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
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Marco Leon mmleonyahoo.com wrote:

If it was for weather, it would seem kind of odd for him to
do that. Usually an aircraft with weather issues is left in the IFR system.

Assuming the conditions allow, the pilot(s) can have much greater
flexibility to deviate around thunderstorms when VFR.

--
Peter
























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Peter R. wrote:
Marco Leon mmleonyahoo.com wrote:
If it was for weather, it would seem kind of odd for him to
do that. Usually an aircraft with weather issues is left in the IFR system.

Assuming the conditions allow, the pilot(s) can have much greater
flexibility to deviate around thunderstorms when VFR.

There was definitely a line of severe storms oriented east-west and moving
south through the ADIZ at around the time he busted it. I suspect he got
caught between the storm and the ADIZ boundary and clipped the edge while
avoiding the storm.

--- Jay


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"Peter R." wrote in message
...
Marco Leon mmleonyahoo.com wrote:

If it was for weather, it would seem kind of odd for him to
do that. Usually an aircraft with weather issues is left in the IFR
system.

Assuming the conditions allow, the pilot(s) can have much greater
flexibility to deviate around thunderstorms when VFR.

--
Peter

Really? I thought the procedure was to tell the controller: "N12345 is
deviating north around convective activity" and let the controller sort it
out. In the end, it is the pilot's responsibility to manage the safety of
his craft, not the controller's...

Kyle Boatright wrote:

Really? I thought the procedure was to tell the controller: "N12345 is
deviating north around convective activity" and let the controller sort it
out. In the end, it is the pilot's responsibility to manage the safety of
his craft, not the controller's...

That certainly is true. However, just today, while listening to the
Detroit LiveATC.net feed when a severe thunderstorm line moved over the
airport (about 12:00 Eastern Time), I overheard the following exchange:

"Detroit Approach, Northwest XXX needs to deviate right off the approach
for weather. We're about to fly into heavy precipitation."

"Negative, Northwest XXX, I need you on that heading. There are numerous
aircraft off to your right."

"Roger, Northwest XXX."

I was surprised to hear the pilot agree to remain on the heading, but
perhaps he surmised that the turbulence of level 3-4 weather was safer than
turning into a swarm of aircraft?

To your point, though, there are numerous strategies for avoiding t-storms
and one viable strategy is to cancel IFR and fly under the greater freedom
of VFR, especially in very congested airspace.

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Peter


















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"Marco Leon" mmleon(at)yahoo.com wrote:

Acording to the news reports, he cancelled IFR and/or squawked VFR before
this happened.

Where have you seen this? I looked around this morning, and didn't find
anything at that level of detail.

- Andrew