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A neighbor sent me this article about a 1967 crash near Hendersonville, NC. The
controlling ATC was the Asheville TRACON. This predates the online NTSB accident archive, but I once had a hardcopy of the accident investigation. I'll look for it. I found the original online at http://makeashorterlink.com/?S25C52A7B Here's the content: --- all remainder is quoted from the Hendersonville News --- The crash of Piedmont Airlines Flight 22 on July 19, 1967, left searing memories for dozens of witnesses and rescue workers in Hendersonville. The Boeing 727 and a Cessna collided in mid-air over town on that July afternoon 37 years ago, raining debris and body parts over a large area. The jetliner came to rest on Camp Pinewood's trash dump. William R. Kuykendall and his wife, who lived a few hundred yards from the crash site, were fortunately vacationing at Windy Hill Beach, S.C., when a woman's body crashed through their roof and into their living room. The crash killed everyone aboard the small plane and the jetliner, including a promising Naval officer, John T. McNaughton, who had just been named Secretary of the Navy. The crash of Flight 22 faded into history long ago and would have stayed there if not for the interest of Paul Houle, an amateur historian and aviation enthusiast from Spartanburg. S.C. Houle initiated and became the driving force behind the Flight 22 Memorial off Orrs Camp Road in Hendersonville. But honoring the memory of those aboard the planes was not the end of his interest. Over the past several years, Houle, who was an accident investigator in the Army, has doggedly combed through the reams of investigation files that came after the mid-air collision of the Virginia-bound Boeing and the Asheville-bound Cessna. Houle's efforts were chronicled Sunday by Walt Wooton, a writer for our sister paper, the Herald-Journal in Spartanburg. Houle's own reading of the material has led him to conclude that the official cause of the accident by the National Transportation Safety Board and the Federal Aviation Administration is wrong. It goes too far to say that Houle has found a smoking gun. But he has found a possible conflict of interest in the probe, confusion in the radio communications issued from the Asheville control tower and, well, a smoking ashtray. # Among Houle's findings:The lead NTSB investigator of the accident, Thomas Saunders, was the brother of a Piedmont vice president, H.K. "Zeke" Saunders. # The Cessna pilot accurately reported his heading to the Asheville tower, a heading that should have alerted the air traffic controller of the collision course. # An ashtray fire -- yes, pilots could smoke in the cockpit then -- may have distracted the crew, yet the NTSB report ignores it. Houle's challenge to the official findings has not been independently reviewed but his petition has enough validity to get the agency's attention. "We'll take a look at it and start an evaluation," said Tom Haueter, the deputy director of the NTSB's Office of Aviation Safety. "That's about where it is at the moment." It would serve the pursuit of truth if a federal judge would unseal records of a civil lawsuit arising from the crash, which was settled in February 1971. U.S. District Court Judge Lacy H. Thornburg turned down Houle's request to unseal the file in May 2003. Houle has turned up enough questions to warrant a second look by the federal air safety regulators. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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Dave Butler wrote:
A neighbor sent me this article about a 1967 crash near Hendersonville, NC. The controlling ATC was the Asheville TRACON. This predates the online NTSB accident archive, but I once had a hardcopy of the accident investigation. I'll look for it. I found the original online at http://makeashorterlink.com/?S25C52A7B snip Here's the original NTSB investigation report: http://www.airdisaster.com/reports/ntsb/AAR68-AJ.pdf Dave ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:58:29 -0400, Dave Butler x@yy wrote in
:: Houle's own reading of the material has led him to conclude that the official cause of the accident by the National Transportation Safety Board and the Federal Aviation Administration is wrong. So what is Houle's contention, that the NTSB investigators found the Cessna pilot's failure to comply with his clearance immaterial to the cause of the MAC? |
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Mr. Houle's contentions are explained in detail in the two newspaper
articles, especially the one in the Spartanburg paper. Look at the website referenced there. Read all the articles and listen to the audio tapes. My belief is that the NTSB exeronated the Piedmont crew not because they were blameless, but because of an inappropirate relation between the lead investigator and a Piedmont executive in charge of crash investigations. This case has troubled a lot of people for years. The so-called four-second gap in the Cessna tape is disputed by another government agency. Their copy of the tape shows that the Cessna pilot clearly gave his heading to the Asheville ATC. There was no four-second gap. I think that is crucial. The Cessna pilot had more flying experience than the Piedmont pilot. He trained other pilots in World War Two and was known as a meticulous and careful pilot. It's unlikely he would have made such a dumb mistake as being twelve miles off course if the ATC had given him the correct information. And yet, the NTSB placed most of the blame on him with some responsibility on the controller (who was promoted within the FAA). It seems curious that the records in this case have been sealed all these years. Maybe Mr. Houle's efforts will re-open this case. |
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Dave Butler wrote:
A neighbor sent me this article about a 1967 crash near Hendersonville, NC. The controlling ATC was the Asheville TRACON. This predates the online NTSB accident archive, but I once had a hardcopy of the accident investigation. I'll look for it. I found the original online at http://makeashorterlink.com/?S25C52A7B snip Here's yet another story, this one from the Spartanburg, SC newspaper, about the crash and the re-investigation. http://www.goupstate.com/apps/pbcs.d...ory=FLIGHT2201 I didn't mean to make this a sort of hit-and-run posting, but I just haven't had time to follow up on it, and wanted to get it "out there" 'cause I thought people in this forum would be interested in it. Maybe I can look at it again after EAA. Dave ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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![]() Dave Butler wrote: Dave Butler wrote: A neighbor sent me this article about a 1967 crash near Hendersonville, NC. The controlling ATC was the Asheville TRACON. This predates the online NTSB accident archive, but I once had a hardcopy of the accident investigation. I'll look for it. I found the original online at http://makeashorterlink.com/?S25C52A7B snip Here's yet another story, this one from the Spartanburg, SC newspaper, about the crash and the re-investigation. http://www.goupstate.com/apps/pbcs.d...ory=FLIGHT2201 I didn't mean to make this a sort of hit-and-run posting, but I just haven't had time to follow up on it, and wanted to get it "out there" 'cause I thought people in this forum would be interested in it. Maybe I can look at it again after EAA. Dave ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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I was an eyewitness to this accident and arrived at the crash site with
fifteen minutes after impact. Mr. Houle's investigation has revealed some problems with the NTSB's report. Among them was an apparent conflict of interest between the chief investigator and a Piedmont executive. It seems they were brothers. He also cites other troubling details about the government's official report. You can read it for yourself and draw your own conclusions. |
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Dale wrote:
You can read it for yourself and draw your own conclusions. I have. Unless the transcription of the radio exchange is incorrect, the plane was not where it was supposed to be as per clearance. More, it appears that the radios were tuned to the wrong NDB (if I read that part correctly) in such a way that would make the incorrect location make sense. A conflict of interest is never a good thing, but - again, unless the cited radio traffic is suspect - I'm not sure why the conclusion is to be doubted. - Andrew |
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Andrew, I have read the NTSB's report several times. It's what it
doesn't reveal that's important in this accident. If the small plane was not where it was supposed to be, neither was the Piedmont. He turned left prior to reaching 5,000 feet which were his instructions. Have you listed to the tapes? Mr. Houle is a meticulous investigator who has studied this accident for years. Have you read what he has written? I agree that a conflict of interest is never a good thing, but it's more than that in this case I believe. It would not be allowed today. Mr. Houle's appeals apparently have enough credibility to convince the NTSB to re-evalute the original conclusions. Did you look at the website listed in the Spartanburg newspaper article? It raises a number of questions not addressed in the official report, e.g. a possible ashtray fire in the Piedmont cockpit moments before the collision. Listening to the cockpit conversation reveals the crew was distracted. In addition, the Cessna pilot radioed his position to the Asheville ATC who was on the phone with Atlanta. If he had been paying attention, he would have known that the small plane was in the wrong place and could have alerted the pilot. These and other details are troubling to those who have taken an interest in this accident. I am not a pilot nor am I an aviation expert. I have followed this story over the last year or so because I saw the accident. |
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