Arizona pilot training

"Chris Schmelzer" wrote in message
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What does Tailwind charge for 172 time?

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Chris Schmelzer, MD
Capt, 110th Fighter Michigan ANG
University of Michigan Hospitals
Ann Arbor, MI

Unfortunately, they just bumped the hourly rate up to $110/hr a couple of
weeks ago.

IMO, it's still a competitive price per hour (IIRC, Chandler Air rents their
new SP for $120-125/hr...) but it's fueling my interest in flying clubs
right now.

Regards,

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
Chandler, AZ
(Former MI Resident, FWIW...)

Jay Beckman wrote:
Unfortunately, they just bumped the hourly rate up to $110/hr a couple of
weeks ago.

IMO, it's still a competitive price per hour (IIRC, Chandler Air rents their
new SP for $120-125/hr...) but it's fueling my interest in flying clubs
right now.


Good God! Here I was feeling sorry for myself having to pay $85-95 an hour,
depending on whether the bird had GPS or not. I can remember paying $37.50 an
hour for a C-172 years ago.

I feel your pain.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

VE

"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote in message
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Jay Beckman wrote:
Unfortunately, they just bumped the hourly rate up to $110/hr a couple
of
weeks ago.

IMO, it's still a competitive price per hour (IIRC, Chandler Air rents
their
new SP for $120-125/hr...) but it's fueling my interest in flying clubs
right now.


Good God! Here I was feeling sorry for myself having to pay $85-95 an
hour,
depending on whether the bird had GPS or not. I can remember paying
$37.50 an
hour for a C-172 years ago.


When was that?

I remember paying $18 (1979, club, or $22 from the FBO...WET) and that was
for fairly new stuff.

Matt Barrow wrote:
Good God! Here I was feeling sorry for myself having to pay $85-95 an hour,
depending on whether the bird had GPS or not. I can remember paying $37.50
an hour for a C-172 years ago.


When was that?

I remember paying $18 (1979, club, or $22 from the FBO...WET) and that was
for fairly new stuff.


Back around the same time.... 1978-1980... somewhere in there. Even in our
club, we were never seeing prices as low as yours.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

VE

"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote in message
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Matt Barrow wrote:
Good God! Here I was feeling sorry for myself having to pay $85-95 an
hour,
depending on whether the bird had GPS or not. I can remember paying
$37.50
an hour for a C-172 years ago.


When was that?

I remember paying $18 (1979, club, or $22 from the FBO...WET) and that
was
for fairly new stuff.


Back around the same time.... 1978-1980... somewhere in there. Even in
our
club, we were never seeing prices as low as yours.


Mine was in Grand Junction, CO....where was yours?

I notice costs vary widely across the US, often by 50% or so.

Matt Barrow wrote:
Back around the same time.... 1978-1980... somewhere in there. Even in our
club, we were never seeing prices as low as yours.


Mine was in Grand Junction, CO....where was yours?

I notice costs vary widely across the US, often by 50% or so.


Rock Hill, SC. It wasn't a club in the classic sense of the word. The FBO ran
it and gave about $8-10 discount per hour if you joined. The dues were only $20
/ month so it didn't take much to make it worthwhile. Also, they had a pretty
wide selection of aircraft. As I recall there we

3 C-152
3 C-172
1 C-172RG
1 C-210
2 PA-28R-201 (one was a t-tail; one was straight)
1 PA-32-300

Sad to say, there were no twins for rent. But it seemed like a pretty good
deal, and everything was kept up. Since most were leasebacks, the avionics
varied a bit but all were good IFR birds except the C-152s. Our C-210s changed
from time to time; we had one equipped with a Robertson STOL kit, LORAN, and
weather radar that was incredible. Unfortunately, it didn't stick around all
that long. But you always had a choice and could pick something suitable.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

VE

"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote in message
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Matt Barrow wrote:

Mine was in Grand Junction, CO....where was yours?

I notice costs vary widely across the US, often by 50% or so.


Rock Hill, SC. It wasn't a club in the classic sense of the word. The
FBO ran
it and gave about $8-10 discount per hour if you joined. The dues were
only $20
/ month so it didn't take much to make it worthwhile. Also, they had a
pretty
wide selection of aircraft. As I recall there we

3 C-152
3 C-172
1 C-172RG
1 C-210
2 PA-28R-201 (one was a t-tail; one was straight)
1 PA-32-300

Sad to say, there were no twins for rent. But it seemed like a pretty
good
deal, and everything was kept up. Since most were leasebacks, the
avionics
varied a bit but all were good IFR birds except the C-152s.

That might be the big difference between your club and mine. We had a
similar line up of about a dozen aircraft, mostly 152's, 172's and two 182's
(a NA and a T182), but only the 182's were IFR capable. The NA 182 was, AIR,
$32-34 an hour. It was also only, maybe a year old. The T182 was about
$40/hr and had an RNAV.

Yep makes me really appreciate a 40/hr Champ!

Patrick
student SPL
aircraft structural mech


"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote in message
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Jay Beckman wrote:
Unfortunately, they just bumped the hourly rate up to $110/hr a couple of
weeks ago.

IMO, it's still a competitive price per hour (IIRC, Chandler Air rents
their
new SP for $120-125/hr...) but it's fueling my interest in flying clubs
right now.


Good God! Here I was feeling sorry for myself having to pay $85-95 an
hour, depending on whether the bird had GPS or not. I can remember paying
$37.50 an hour for a C-172 years ago.

I feel your pain.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

VE

"W P Dixon" wrote:
Yep makes me really appreciate a 40/hr Champ!

Was just going to add that you don't HAVE to learn to fly in a
172**SP**! I realize that's the one in the videos that Cessna Pilot
Centers use in their training ... what great marketing strategy, huh?
"Let's encourage customers to spend almost twice as much as they have
to." An older, less-expensive-to-rent C172 or even a C152 (depending on
what you and your CFI weigh) will do just fine. You don't need a GPS or
AutoPilot or some of the other high-tech gadgets in the SP to learn how
to fly. IMO, that's just paying through the nose for stuff throughout
the training that you won't use until much later. Of course, if money is
no object ...

wrote in message news:Xmnushal8y-
Was just going to add that you don't HAVE to learn to fly in a
172**SP**! I realize that's the one in the videos that Cessna Pilot
Centers use in their training ... what great marketing strategy, huh?
"Let's encourage customers to spend almost twice as much as they have
to." An older, less-expensive-to-rent C172 or even a C152 (depending on
what you and your CFI weigh) will do just fine. You don't need a GPS or
AutoPilot or some of the other high-tech gadgets in the SP to learn how
to fly.

Not every time, but these are tools best learned from the get-go.

IMO, that's just paying through the nose for stuff throughout
the training that you won't use until much later. Of course, if money is
no object ...

And then, you can find the same plane for far less money...on the order of
$40/hr in some places. When you learn around a major metro area (Chandler is
a Phoenix 'burb), you can expect to pay LOTS more, especially when rented
through an FBO rather than a club.

I did my first 21 hrs in a 172, then went to a 182 because of my instructors
and my size; he was 6'3" about 225 and I'm 6'1", 205, mostly in the
shoulders and upper torso.

--
Matt
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Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO