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Hi Don,
I'm an active Blipmap/Spot user. It's a great tool, but it's not a Composite Index. It's really a graphical representation of the underlying data. Even the Univiewer, which aggregates multiple parameters in one view, requires one to make a a lot of correlations to come up with the big picture . P3 |
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Papa3 wrote:
Hi Don, I'm an active Blipmap/Spot user. It's a great tool, but it's not a Composite Index. It's really a graphical representation of the underlying data. Even the Univiewer, which aggregates multiple parameters in one view, requires one to make a a lot of correlations to come up with the big picture . Unless you fly where you have homogenous weather over a broad area for most of the day, it's hard to imagine a single number is worth anything. From our airport (Richland, Washington, USA), the homogenous area is maybe a 10 mile radius circle. With the usual cloudbase, that's only 30% of a final glide. Beyond that, picking the right direction to go determines the quality of the flight, and not the weather around the airport. Also, the weather changes during the day, with marine air intrusions, overdevelopment, rising cloudbases, changing winds, shear lines, etc. So, even the pilot that stays close to the airport can have a day that differs remarkably as it progresses. And then there is the problem of different pilots in different gliders: a beginning XC pilot flying a Ka-6 will have different criteria than an experienced XC pilot in an ASW 27. So, we have weather that change with time and location, and pilots that differ greatly in what is worthwhile rigging for. My suggestion: if you are going to stay close to home, look at the Blipspot (mini or otherwise) for your airport; if you want to go a long distance, spend the 5-10 minutes it takes to digest the Blipmaps. Hey, you are looking for a five hour flight, the drive time to the airport, plus rigging and derigging, so what's 10 minutes figuring out when and where to go? -- Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly Eric Greenwell Washington State USA |
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![]() Eric Greenwell wrote: Unless you fly where you have homogenous weather over a broad area for most of the day, it's hard to imagine a single number is worth anything. From our airport (Richland, Washington, USA), the homogenous area is maybe a 10 mile radius circle. With the usual cloudbase, that's only 30% of a final glide. Beyond that, picking the right direction to go determines the quality of the flight, and not the weather around the airport. And then there is the problem of different pilots in different gliders: a beginning XC pilot flying a Ka-6 will have different criteria than an experienced XC pilot in an ASW 27. So, we have weather that change with time and location, and pilots that differ greatly in what is worthwhile rigging for. My suggestion: if you are going to stay close to home, look at the Blipspot (mini or otherwise) for your airport; if you want to go a long distance, spend the 5-10 minutes it takes to digest the Blipmaps. Hey, you are looking for a five hour flight, the drive time to the airport, plus rigging and derigging, so what's 10 minutes figuring out when and where to go? Exactly. So, what a forecaster does to add value is to take all of these various factors into account to provide an analysis of the weather and its potential to support cross country flight in your area. Maybe I didn't give a clear explanation of the background and intent. - We're fortunate to have a number of tools available to the general soaring public that didn't exist just a few years ago. Various forecast soundings, satellite data, etc. are all easily available over the Web. Add to that interpretive sites such as Dr. Jack's, and one has a fighting chance of predicting the good days... IF one takes the time to consider all of the elements that affect XC soaring (a big IF). - However, the average glider pilot still has a pretty hard time interpreting even the simplest data. For instance, I can't tell you how many times people I know have just looked at a RUC Blipmap forecasting 500fpm lift and figured "it's a great day." They don't know that it's a moment in time (18Z typically), whether it will be blue or not, if there is OD potential, etc. etc. Yeah, Dr. Jack gives you the info you need to do this, but most people can't put it all together. And, this doesn't even begin to address the issue of conflict across models and picking the best one (ever looked at the NAM vs. GFS vs. NGM 24 hours out from a complex frontal passage?) - The concept of the Soaring Composite Index (SCI as I'm calling it) is for a human forecaster to interpret all of the available data and come up with a score for the day. This score is subject to all of the constraints you listed above (and more), so of course "your mileage may vary." - In terms of the assumptions, I do address the fact that the SCI will be a) site specific (ie. somebody who knows your operating area will have to do the interpretation) and b) it uses a benchmark of a "competent pilot flying a Standard Cirrus" (so a Nimbus driver or a 1-26 driver will have to adjust accordingly) and c) the conditions in any one quadrant may be significantly better or worse. - In a practical sense, the SCI is really for those poor working stiffs like myself who can only afford to take a very limited number of "emergency days off" ("calling in soar" as one of the old-timers in our club used to say). For me, I will only drop everything for an SCI of 4 or 5 (maybe a 3 if I haven't flown for a month). - Really the only thing the SCI does is to try to put some rigor around the statement that "it's going to be a really good day." Anyway, Jack Harrison is doing the same thing in the UK with what seem to be very positive results, so I thought I'd try something in Region 2 and see how it goes... Erik Mann LS8-18 (P3) |
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Papa3 wrote:
- In a practical sense, the SCI is really for those poor working stiffs like myself who can only afford to take a very limited number of "emergency days off" ("calling in soar" as one of the old-timers in our club used to say). For me, I will only drop everything for an SCI of 4 or 5 (maybe a 3 if I haven't flown for a month). - Really the only thing the SCI does is to try to put some rigor around the statement that "it's going to be a really good day." Perhaps the way to approach this is find out who wants it and what kind of weather they think rates a 5, 4, 3, etc. If there is a lot of agreement, then the weather guru has some hope of matching the weather forecast with a number. I suspect there will be enough variation in rating criteria between pilots that a single number will not be generally useful except for days that are clearly so good or so bad, everyone agrees. Rather than a single number, perhaps the local guru could produce a few charts so simple they could be comprehended by anyone in a minute. These could similar to the Blipmaps, showing a "soarabilty index" in several colors (such as red = bad, yellow=fair, green=GO!) on the map. Producing a number for a single location (say, 30 km on a side) at a single time would be simpler than coming up with a single number covering a 600 x 600 km area. Unfortunately, in this example, 400 numbers would have to be produced! It might be this could automated, using Blipmaps as the source. Automation would give consistency to the results, and the rules could be quite elaborate and easily changed. The weather guru would review the output and make a few adjustments, if needed. Over time, routine adjustments would be incorporated in the rules. Please don't ask Dr. Jack to do any this: he has plenty on the table already! A map for each time (18Z, 21Z, and 24Z) could be quickly scanned. By knowing when and where the soaring was likely to be good, the pilot could determine if the day was good enough to have a "soaring emergency" and drive to the airport. -- Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly Eric Greenwell Washington State USA |
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