New CFI

All CFIs are instrument rated. You must hold an instrument rating in
order to apply for a CFI certificate. The FBO probably simply meant
that the CFI was not an instrument instructor. That's no big deal. Many
CFIs who are not CFII's spent lots more time in the clouds than actual
CFIIs. For a private pilot, I wouldn't worry too much about him not
being an instrument instructor (but remember, he IS an instrument
pilot)

-Robert, CFI

Robert ...

That, unfortunately, is not true. 61.183 (c) (2) says that you have to have
an instrument rating *OR* privileges on that person's pilot certificate
appropriate to the rating sought.

For example, if I wanted to apply for a CFII, I would have to have the
instrument rating. If I wanted to apply for a CFI SEL, I would have to have
a commercial with a SEL rating on it -- no instrument.

Having said that (irregardless of the illiterate bonehead in here who has
neither a CFI or a commercial) if you get a commercial rating without an
instrument ticket, you are limited to working within 50 miles of your home
base AND no night commercial activities.

Now, whether that carries over to charging primary students for cross
country and night flight is not yet fully answered.

And, yes, you DO have to have a commercial ticket to charge students for
instruction.

My wife had her CFI years before she got her instrument ticket ... CFI-G
doesn't require the instrument, nor does the Commercial glider.


Jim
CFI A&G, CGI B, Commercial A&G, A&P/IA
other stuff not worth mentioning.



"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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All CFIs are instrument rated. You must hold an instrument rating in
order to apply for a CFI certificate.

"RST Engineering" wrote in message
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Now, whether that carries over to charging primary students for cross
country and night flight is not yet fully answered.

It has been fully answered. It doesn't.

And, yes, you DO have to have a commercial ticket to charge students for
instruction.

No, you don't.

Pete

But you do have to have a commerical or ATP ticket to show up for your
CFI checkride.

Section 61.183: Eligibility requirements.
(c) Hold either a commercial pilot certificate or airline transport
pilot certificate with:

-Robert

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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But you do have to have a commerical or ATP ticket to show up for your
CFI checkride.

So what? The eligibility requirements for the CFI have nothing to do with
the requirements for exercising the privileges of the CFI.

I'm not sure what you are trying to day. The fact is that there are no
CFI-Airplane instructors that are currently eligible to teach in
aircraft that do not have an instrument rating. If you believe you know
of a FSDO that is issuing CFI's to pilots w/o an instrument rating,
please post the name of the FSDO.

-Robert

And I'm not sure who you are talking to without at least a word or two of
the prior message.

Jim


"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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I'm not sure what you are trying to day. The fact is that there are no
CFI-Airplane instructors that are currently eligible to teach in
aircraft that do not have an instrument rating.

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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I'm not sure what you are trying to day.

I'm trying to say that the requirement that one holds a Commercial pilot
certificate in order to take the CFI exam and to receive the CFI certificate
has nothing to do with whether one is required to have a valid Commercial
pilot certificate in order to use the CFI certificate.

The fact is that there are no
CFI-Airplane instructors that are currently eligible to teach in
aircraft that do not have an instrument rating.

That's a complete non-sequitur to your post to which I replied.
However...you wrote:

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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But you do have to have a commerical or ATP ticket to show up for your
CFI checkride.

Which has absolutely nothing to do with whether a CFI is required to have an
instrument rating.

If you believe you know
of a FSDO that is issuing CFI's to pilots w/o an instrument rating,
please post the name of the FSDO.

I have no idea how you got on to the topic of having an instrument rating,
when we were talking about having a Commercial certificate.

Pete

RST, I thought we were talking SEL, not glider. CFI SEL DOES require an
instrument rating.

" If I wanted to apply for a CFI SEL, I would have to have
a commercial with a SEL rating on it -- no instrument. "

No, 100% not correct, you MUST hold an instrument rating or an ATP in
order to take you initial CFI checkride for airplane or helicopter.
Gliders are a different discussion.

-Robert, CFI

There was a time that this was not true, and although I don't know a CFI
that does not have an instrument rating, I ALMOST know one. Mine... He
came back from Vietnam and under the GI bill worked on first his private,
then commercial, then CFI. He was getting ready for the CFI checkride and
they changed the rule, stating that in order to take the ride he required an
instrument rating. He got discouraged and never did it. Finally, about 15
years ago, he got busy and did the IR and then the CFI.

My father in law, also a Vietnam era Vet, did the same thing,although he
stopped at commercial, he said CFI came next and instrument was after the
CFI.

Just one instance, and a history lesson more than anything, but there could
be some SEL CFI's out there without instrument ratings.
Jim Burns

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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RST, I thought we were talking SEL, not glider. CFI SEL DOES require an
instrument rating.

" If I wanted to apply for a CFI SEL, I would have to have
a commercial with a SEL rating on it -- no instrument. "

No, 100% not correct, you MUST hold an instrument rating or an ATP in
order to take you initial CFI checkride for airplane or helicopter.
Gliders are a different discussion.

-Robert, CFI